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		By: Monia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2021 13:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, i unfortunaly ended up ruining all my life..i met this terrible person who was always keeping me in hold, exactely the way you just described. I wasnt able to think or concentrate on anything else but &quot;why he&#039;s not ringing or texting me?&quot; while things seemed to be ok...i was like in a trap..always in a strong anxiaty feeling like paralized. It lasts 10 yrs in which i didnt think about my life, my job, my hobbies...i&#039; ve lost everything, now im 43 and i have nothing, i completed hijacked my path, my purpose, i took a wrong path..and i feel so far away from what i wanted to do or be in my life...and at 43 is not easy..lots of doors are closed..i feel like ive missed the train..no friends and i feel just my life had exploded...(sorry for my english!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, i unfortunaly ended up ruining all my life..i met this terrible person who was always keeping me in hold, exactely the way you just described. I wasnt able to think or concentrate on anything else but &#8220;why he&#8217;s not ringing or texting me?&#8221; while things seemed to be ok&#8230;i was like in a trap..always in a strong anxiaty feeling like paralized. It lasts 10 yrs in which i didnt think about my life, my job, my hobbies&#8230;i&#8217; ve lost everything, now im 43 and i have nothing, i completed hijacked my path, my purpose, i took a wrong path..and i feel so far away from what i wanted to do or be in my life&#8230;and at 43 is not easy..lots of doors are closed..i feel like ive missed the train..no friends and i feel just my life had exploded&#8230;(sorry for my english!)</p>
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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2018 07:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-4/#comment-11055&quot;&gt;Garry&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Garry, 

Don&#039;t put your life on hold...she would n&#039;t do it for you. I&#039;m in the process of putting up a Q &amp; A from a male victim like yourself who is contacting me for support. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-break-up-pt-1/&quot;&gt;Here is Part 1 of our exchange.&lt;/a&gt; I&#039;m sure you will find it very interesting. He asked the very same questions....

Zari:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-4/#comment-11055">Garry</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Garry, </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t put your life on hold&#8230;she would n&#8217;t do it for you. I&#8217;m in the process of putting up a Q &#038; A from a male victim like yourself who is contacting me for support. <a href="http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-break-up-pt-1/">Here is Part 1 of our exchange.</a> I&#8217;m sure you will find it very interesting. He asked the very same questions&#8230;.</p>
<p>Zari:)</p>
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		By: Garry		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2018 18:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don’t know if my current partner is a covert narcissist or not….this is the 3RE time she has left to stay at her friends… the 1st to punish me for some thing I said (3 days), the 2nd because she didn’t want to go on our holiday (2 weeks) weight issues so she didn’t want to go…. but said yes let’s go at time of booking. … and 3rd because I reacted to what I believe to be a gaslight incident where she scratched the interior of my new car then blamed me for my reaction….. I had just paid a deposit for a years holiday in the sun….. she ran to her friends again… and is still there…. with depression?? (9 weeks and counting) no indication she acknowledges here are two people in the relationship… like I don’t matter. Narc or not?? Fed up. Want me to hang in until she gets well??? Meanwhile my life is on hold….]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t know if my current partner is a covert narcissist or not….this is the 3RE time she has left to stay at her friends… the 1st to punish me for some thing I said (3 days), the 2nd because she didn’t want to go on our holiday (2 weeks) weight issues so she didn’t want to go…. but said yes let’s go at time of booking. … and 3rd because I reacted to what I believe to be a gaslight incident where she scratched the interior of my new car then blamed me for my reaction….. I had just paid a deposit for a years holiday in the sun….. she ran to her friends again… and is still there…. with depression?? (9 weeks and counting) no indication she acknowledges here are two people in the relationship… like I don’t matter. Narc or not?? Fed up. Want me to hang in until she gets well??? Meanwhile my life is on hold….</p>
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		By: Allison Moss		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2018 07:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Had Thanksgiving guests where the male was a chaos creator &#038; the wife a willing empower-er.  They belched loudly at the table &#038; commented on it. The male, when our pets were in the room was pounding the underside of the table to raise the level of chaos &#038; noise that the dogs were creating while wagging their tails on the table legs.  I put the dogs out...but the wife was commenting on the man&#039;s actions---which amplified them. I&quot;m almost 70, but NEVER have had such rude guests (a grandchild&#039;s fiance&#039;s parents)....didn&#039;t know (despite teaching for decades) how to deal with this other than to ignore him totally whenever he was engaging in these extremely disquieting, chaos creating behaviors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had Thanksgiving guests where the male was a chaos creator &amp; the wife a willing empower-er.  They belched loudly at the table &amp; commented on it. The male, when our pets were in the room was pounding the underside of the table to raise the level of chaos &amp; noise that the dogs were creating while wagging their tails on the table legs.  I put the dogs out&#8230;but the wife was commenting on the man&#8217;s actions&#8212;which amplified them. I&#8221;m almost 70, but NEVER have had such rude guests (a grandchild&#8217;s fiance&#8217;s parents)&#8230;.didn&#8217;t know (despite teaching for decades) how to deal with this other than to ignore him totally whenever he was engaging in these extremely disquieting, chaos creating behaviors.</p>
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		By: donna		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2018 01:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was married to a very strange man he started out nice asked me to marry him 2 weeks later , I lived with him for 8 months and married him , and then the craziness started , he couldn&#039;t do a checkbook, hold down a job , and when I would fix things with working more , or help from my parents , the chaos would happen again , he would buy a new car with no money in the bank , get hours cut at work , but it was like I was in a fog and didn&#039;t see this stuff , its not his fault he cheated on me , porn additt , gambler . it was insane and he would blame me for everything , he told a sex addition person he walks on eggshells , we were afraid of him not the other way around we have two special needs adult kids , , why would a person love chaos , and I&#039;m taking going broke chaos , why ??? we just got unmarried in 2016 and I am so calm money is hard but at least I can sleep and he withheld sex , for porn when my daughter found it last straw I brought him to 5 different psys , he had a diffent story for each the marriage one pegged him and he wouldn&#039;t go back]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was married to a very strange man he started out nice asked me to marry him 2 weeks later , I lived with him for 8 months and married him , and then the craziness started , he couldn&#8217;t do a checkbook, hold down a job , and when I would fix things with working more , or help from my parents , the chaos would happen again , he would buy a new car with no money in the bank , get hours cut at work , but it was like I was in a fog and didn&#8217;t see this stuff , its not his fault he cheated on me , porn additt , gambler . it was insane and he would blame me for everything , he told a sex addition person he walks on eggshells , we were afraid of him not the other way around we have two special needs adult kids , , why would a person love chaos , and I&#8217;m taking going broke chaos , why ??? we just got unmarried in 2016 and I am so calm money is hard but at least I can sleep and he withheld sex , for porn when my daughter found it last straw I brought him to 5 different psys , he had a diffent story for each the marriage one pegged him and he wouldn&#8217;t go back</p>
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		By: Eyeforaneye		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2018 03:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Take a meat cleaver, hand it to them and they will use it - that&#039;s what it feels like.  Married 23 years - 1 child/teenager - went out of here on a domestic violence - jail, probation, restraining order - the MINUTE he got out of jail he went on a vindictive retribution like no other.  He&#039;s still at it 1 year later using the court as his instrument.  Judge &#039;seems&#039; clueless, but I think his day is coming.  Has not only abused me and child for years verbally, emotionally, physical posturing then the physical incident, he is now right back where HIS abuse started - back living with his parents.  Sicker than he is - they abandoned us too.  I am in disbelief that someone who the very day of the incident proFesses love and appreciation can do something like this and not even look back.  He is always the victim.  YOU ARE ALWAYS THE REASON - OR SOMEONE IS.  DANCED walked on eggshells, forgave, helped, you name it - all a fake mask.  He has lost his home, his family, his reputation - he is a sociopath, narcissist at it&#039;s worst.  Child and I will build a new life without him, and he will realize someday and it IS too late.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a meat cleaver, hand it to them and they will use it &#8211; that&#8217;s what it feels like.  Married 23 years &#8211; 1 child/teenager &#8211; went out of here on a domestic violence &#8211; jail, probation, restraining order &#8211; the MINUTE he got out of jail he went on a vindictive retribution like no other.  He&#8217;s still at it 1 year later using the court as his instrument.  Judge &#8216;seems&#8217; clueless, but I think his day is coming.  Has not only abused me and child for years verbally, emotionally, physical posturing then the physical incident, he is now right back where HIS abuse started &#8211; back living with his parents.  Sicker than he is &#8211; they abandoned us too.  I am in disbelief that someone who the very day of the incident proFesses love and appreciation can do something like this and not even look back.  He is always the victim.  YOU ARE ALWAYS THE REASON &#8211; OR SOMEONE IS.  DANCED walked on eggshells, forgave, helped, you name it &#8211; all a fake mask.  He has lost his home, his family, his reputation &#8211; he is a sociopath, narcissist at it&#8217;s worst.  Child and I will build a new life without him, and he will realize someday and it IS too late.</p>
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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2018 02:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Peaches!!...xo]]></description>
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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zari Ballard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2017 02:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-3/#comment-10249&quot;&gt;jaclyn&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Jaclyn,

Why is it hard to imagine a person thinking like that??? It sounds as if this is EXACTLY what this guy has been doing for THIRTY YEARS. Knowing just when to reappear so that it has the most impact and prevents you from moving on IS WHAT A NARCISSIST DOES. It&#039;s done on a &lt;em&gt;conscious&lt;/em&gt; level. He knows what he&#039;s doing, he just doesn&#039;t give a shit. And even if it was SUBconscious, after thirty years...does it even matter? Stop the nonsense and get on with your life before he wastes more of it.

Zari:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-3/#comment-10249">jaclyn</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Jaclyn,</p>
<p>Why is it hard to imagine a person thinking like that??? It sounds as if this is EXACTLY what this guy has been doing for THIRTY YEARS. Knowing just when to reappear so that it has the most impact and prevents you from moving on IS WHAT A NARCISSIST DOES. It&#8217;s done on a <em>conscious</em> level. He knows what he&#8217;s doing, he just doesn&#8217;t give a shit. And even if it was SUBconscious, after thirty years&#8230;does it even matter? Stop the nonsense and get on with your life before he wastes more of it.</p>
<p>Zari:)</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2017 19:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is it done on a subconscious level? Because it&#039;s hard for me to imagine a person actually thinking &quot;Ok, she&#039;s too comfortable. Time to shake her up a bit.&quot; He&#039;s been in and out of my life on one level or another for almost 30 years. And it&#039;s like, even when we don&#039;t live in the same town, barely talk, or may not talk at all....he KNOWS when I&#039;m getting used to life without him and starting to do well, so here he comes again. Even though we have not seen each other in over 2 years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it done on a subconscious level? Because it&#8217;s hard for me to imagine a person actually thinking &#8220;Ok, she&#8217;s too comfortable. Time to shake her up a bit.&#8221; He&#8217;s been in and out of my life on one level or another for almost 30 years. And it&#8217;s like, even when we don&#8217;t live in the same town, barely talk, or may not talk at all&#8230;.he KNOWS when I&#8217;m getting used to life without him and starting to do well, so here he comes again. Even though we have not seen each other in over 2 years.</p>
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		By: gloriaThompsonnarcisstic chaos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gloriaThompsonnarcisstic chaos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2017 16:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I knew every time he was on his way to cheat he would start a argument he&#039;s phone would start ring about every ten minutes this means he&#039;s flying monkeys knew he had money he would take a bath jump in I called his ho mobile his 360 z with convertible top after almost 17 years of abuse mental and verbal lets not forget emotional I walked away just when I knew he was planning on moving one of them in I knew I was being discarded I had been packed for two days I acted so sad when I got in my car I laughed all the way to the freeway entrance I decided while he was so wrapped up with her I could right out she was my out he still in his love bombing stage she&#039;s been around a couple of years wanting to be in my shoes only to see later how sick he is I pray for her but better her than me I love me now and it&#039;s time for healing]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew every time he was on his way to cheat he would start a argument he&#8217;s phone would start ring about every ten minutes this means he&#8217;s flying monkeys knew he had money he would take a bath jump in I called his ho mobile his 360 z with convertible top after almost 17 years of abuse mental and verbal lets not forget emotional I walked away just when I knew he was planning on moving one of them in I knew I was being discarded I had been packed for two days I acted so sad when I got in my car I laughed all the way to the freeway entrance I decided while he was so wrapped up with her I could right out she was my out he still in his love bombing stage she&#8217;s been around a couple of years wanting to be in my shoes only to see later how sick he is I pray for her but better her than me I love me now and it&#8217;s time for healing</p>
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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 03:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-10022&quot;&gt;christopher g wren&lt;/a&gt;.

I wish it worked that way but, alas, their hearts and mind were closed and locked many moons ago....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-10022">christopher g wren</a>.</p>
<p>I wish it worked that way but, alas, their hearts and mind were closed and locked many moons ago&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zari Ballard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 03:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-3/#comment-10023&quot;&gt;christopher g wren&lt;/a&gt;.

Your welcome, Christopher:) Thanks for visiting and come by any time....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-3/#comment-10023">christopher g wren</a>.</p>
<p>Your welcome, Christopher:) Thanks for visiting and come by any time&#8230;.</p>
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		By: christopher g wren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2017 17:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zari , Thank you for keeping it equal in Gender]]></description>
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		By: christopher g wren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jul 2017 17:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If only I could get Her to read this , with an Open Mind / Heart............]]></description>
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		By: loblo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2017 15:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My ex did this relentlessly, before any key event - parent teacher meet, holidays, arriving anywhere, leaving for anywhere, she would start some sort of head spinning fight.,... .one of the worst was being told out of the blue to calm down!  when I literally hadn&#039;t said a word, bewildering - even knowing whats happening its still so offensive... it would alter my mood instantly..guard shield up.  If I didnt react the dance would escalate literally to this ridiculous dance physical mocking..over the top, if ide smurk or shake my head in disbelief she would add laughing up close in my face(her going all out to get a reaction)..  React or not, the emotion within myself was the same, hurt - its offensive watching your &#039;partner&#039; behave in such a nasty way.... no hope of a future, past was a lie, realize this person is out to destroy you from day one. If I was to react in presence of our kids, they would only see the reaction not the carefully orchestrated taunting for the last 15 minutes... then the kids say &#039;you started it, you yelled or raised your voice&#039;.. then the narcissist plays on that further, little grin on their face... mission accomplished.  

To me the scariest part is how it all seems so instinctual, like a salmon knowing where to spawn, a bird that knows where to migrate - where does this evil come from, is it in her DNA, is it result of some past conditioning, is it a  learned behavior... . Ive never been very religious, but one starts to wonder if that instinct N&#039;s share is not put there by the horned man himself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ex did this relentlessly, before any key event &#8211; parent teacher meet, holidays, arriving anywhere, leaving for anywhere, she would start some sort of head spinning fight.,&#8230; .one of the worst was being told out of the blue to calm down!  when I literally hadn&#8217;t said a word, bewildering &#8211; even knowing whats happening its still so offensive&#8230; it would alter my mood instantly..guard shield up.  If I didnt react the dance would escalate literally to this ridiculous dance physical mocking..over the top, if ide smurk or shake my head in disbelief she would add laughing up close in my face(her going all out to get a reaction)..  React or not, the emotion within myself was the same, hurt &#8211; its offensive watching your &#8216;partner&#8217; behave in such a nasty way&#8230;. no hope of a future, past was a lie, realize this person is out to destroy you from day one. If I was to react in presence of our kids, they would only see the reaction not the carefully orchestrated taunting for the last 15 minutes&#8230; then the kids say &#8216;you started it, you yelled or raised your voice&#8217;.. then the narcissist plays on that further, little grin on their face&#8230; mission accomplished.  </p>
<p>To me the scariest part is how it all seems so instinctual, like a salmon knowing where to spawn, a bird that knows where to migrate &#8211; where does this evil come from, is it in her DNA, is it result of some past conditioning, is it a  learned behavior&#8230; . Ive never been very religious, but one starts to wonder if that instinct N&#8217;s share is not put there by the horned man himself.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2017 20:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-7769&quot;&gt;Ernest&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Ernest,

As I&#039;ve explained many times, I use &quot;he&quot; because I speak from my own experience and because using &quot;he/she&quot;, &quot;him/her&quot;, etc. in every sentence makes for a lame read. I&#039;ve also addressed this issue directly to the guys in this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/male-victims-of-narcissists/&quot;&gt;letter of apology&lt;/a&gt; article to male victims. so please do read it. In addition to that, I have written a book specifically for the guys entitled &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TNHK9UC/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;When Evil Is a Pretty&lt;/a&gt; Face which speaks to the evils of the female narcissist - an entity, by the way, that I have always stated is far worse than her male counterpart.

Male victims of female narcissists will find no bigger supporter online than myself and the members of this community, I promise you. I apologize for the gender reference but I do speak for and fully support both sexes in this very nefarious type of relationship.

Zari:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-7769">Ernest</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Ernest,</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve explained many times, I use &#8220;he&#8221; because I speak from my own experience and because using &#8220;he/she&#8221;, &#8220;him/her&#8221;, etc. in every sentence makes for a lame read. I&#8217;ve also addressed this issue directly to the guys in this <a href="http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/male-victims-of-narcissists/">letter of apology</a> article to male victims. so please do read it. In addition to that, I have written a book specifically for the guys entitled <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TNHK9UC/" rel="nofollow">When Evil Is a Pretty</a> Face which speaks to the evils of the female narcissist &#8211; an entity, by the way, that I have always stated is far worse than her male counterpart.</p>
<p>Male victims of female narcissists will find no bigger supporter online than myself and the members of this community, I promise you. I apologize for the gender reference but I do speak for and fully support both sexes in this very nefarious type of relationship.</p>
<p>Zari:)</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2017 18:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-7093&quot;&gt;Noreen&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Noreen,

I&#039;m sorry for the delay in responding. I hope that you are still remaining strong and ignoring those hoovers. BLOCK his number and any number that he can call you from so that he can&#039;t barge into your life with some benign request or comment anymore. If there&#039;s a knock at the door, do not answer because he WILL go away. I used to get in the shower and turn the water on full blast so that I wouldn&#039;t hear the knocks or the calling out of my name or the rocks against my third floor bedroom window. Eventually, he would go away and I would have a breather until the next time and they got farther and farther apart. You can do this!

Stay strong and remain diligent. Block, block, block.

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-7093">Noreen</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Noreen,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for the delay in responding. I hope that you are still remaining strong and ignoring those hoovers. BLOCK his number and any number that he can call you from so that he can&#8217;t barge into your life with some benign request or comment anymore. If there&#8217;s a knock at the door, do not answer because he WILL go away. I used to get in the shower and turn the water on full blast so that I wouldn&#8217;t hear the knocks or the calling out of my name or the rocks against my third floor bedroom window. Eventually, he would go away and I would have a breather until the next time and they got farther and farther apart. You can do this!</p>
<p>Stay strong and remain diligent. Block, block, block.</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh my gosh! I thought I was going crazy! These are my exact same story. My boyfriend of 18 months tried to control me in every way. We lived together, then he would throw me out. He took control of my house and made me go deep in debt. He caused me to lose my job and then when I tried being a real estate agent, he sabotaged it also. I see now it was to make me dependent and make it so that I couldn&#039;t make it without him. Every time we would end, he would say terrible things about me and blame it all on me and then days or weeks after, would show up at my door, promising to change. This last time, he ended it two weeks ago by texting me that he was seeing someone else. Then of course he blames me for not making him feel special and that he didn&#039;t think it would hurt me because I didn&#039;t seem to care anyway. This was after I made sure he had an extra special birthday including a balloon ride! He has contacted me since, dumping off my stuff with a note saying he was sorry but .... And also sent me a long email also extensively blaming me and saying that he forgives me for all the awful stuff I did to him. I have not responded and now after reading your articles and these stories and reading more about narcissism, I know I can never speak to him again. I know this new woman is getting the love bomb right now and he is focusing his effort on keeping and controlling her, but I know as soon as he is dissatisfied with something she says or does, he will be showing up at my door again. I am preparing myself for that. It does hurt to think of him being with this other woman and that she is getting the best part of him right now, but I have to instead, remember all that crappy parts like when he would give me the cold shoulder as punishment or spin an argument into a crazy spiral of blame and belittling and contradiction. It is easier this time I think because I can see how crazy he is and is selfish reasoning behind his actions. I caught him in a blatant lie this time, and I think even he realizes I can&#039;t possibly forgive him for it. But if he tries to show up, I&#039;m prepared to ignore him or call the cops. I feel so much stronger now, thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my gosh! I thought I was going crazy! These are my exact same story. My boyfriend of 18 months tried to control me in every way. We lived together, then he would throw me out. He took control of my house and made me go deep in debt. He caused me to lose my job and then when I tried being a real estate agent, he sabotaged it also. I see now it was to make me dependent and make it so that I couldn&#8217;t make it without him. Every time we would end, he would say terrible things about me and blame it all on me and then days or weeks after, would show up at my door, promising to change. This last time, he ended it two weeks ago by texting me that he was seeing someone else. Then of course he blames me for not making him feel special and that he didn&#8217;t think it would hurt me because I didn&#8217;t seem to care anyway. This was after I made sure he had an extra special birthday including a balloon ride! He has contacted me since, dumping off my stuff with a note saying he was sorry but &#8230;. And also sent me a long email also extensively blaming me and saying that he forgives me for all the awful stuff I did to him. I have not responded and now after reading your articles and these stories and reading more about narcissism, I know I can never speak to him again. I know this new woman is getting the love bomb right now and he is focusing his effort on keeping and controlling her, but I know as soon as he is dissatisfied with something she says or does, he will be showing up at my door again. I am preparing myself for that. It does hurt to think of him being with this other woman and that she is getting the best part of him right now, but I have to instead, remember all that crappy parts like when he would give me the cold shoulder as punishment or spin an argument into a crazy spiral of blame and belittling and contradiction. It is easier this time I think because I can see how crazy he is and is selfish reasoning behind his actions. I caught him in a blatant lie this time, and I think even he realizes I can&#8217;t possibly forgive him for it. But if he tries to show up, I&#8217;m prepared to ignore him or call the cops. I feel so much stronger now, thank you.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-7085&quot;&gt;Jan&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow, Jan...thank you for sharing all that. Right now, I am convinced, this is a time of spiritual warfare on this planet and these creatures - narcissists, sociopaths, etc. - are minions of a very dark side. I understand about the psychic connection you felt because I felt it as well...however, since then, I have come to the conclusion that it is more a &lt;em&gt;demonic&lt;/em&gt; connection than it is anything else. For people to truly connect with one another on any spiritual or psychic level (remotely or otherwise) that is worth anything, they have to have empathy...they have to have a soul, a heart and, as you know, these people lack all of the above. Sure, the sex is great but it&#039;s hardly worth it in the end when we realize we have to save our very lives.

I loved your post - thank you so much for sharing!

xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-7085">Jan</a>.</p>
<p>Wow, Jan&#8230;thank you for sharing all that. Right now, I am convinced, this is a time of spiritual warfare on this planet and these creatures &#8211; narcissists, sociopaths, etc. &#8211; are minions of a very dark side. I understand about the psychic connection you felt because I felt it as well&#8230;however, since then, I have come to the conclusion that it is more a <em>demonic</em> connection than it is anything else. For people to truly connect with one another on any spiritual or psychic level (remotely or otherwise) that is worth anything, they have to have empathy&#8230;they have to have a soul, a heart and, as you know, these people lack all of the above. Sure, the sex is great but it&#8217;s hardly worth it in the end when we realize we have to save our very lives.</p>
<p>I loved your post &#8211; thank you so much for sharing!</p>
<p>xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-7086&quot;&gt;Jan&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Jan,

I had to comment on your comment to Jean...on your reiteration of what she had posted:) If the two of you truly believe that your guys have a single decent bone in their bodies...that they can actually change or you could change them or that you can &quot;fix yourself&quot; and, thus, fix the relationship...that they are literally your &quot;best friends&quot;, always being there when you needed them, and that your life together is truly &quot;lovely&quot;, then either neither of them are narcissists or they are literally the two single exceptions to the rule of all the narcissists on the planet. I thought the same thing as you...we had awesome, mind-blowing sex for 13-years, I&#039;d known him half my life, he said all those things when he knew that I needed to hear them, blah blah blah. I wasted the best years of my life...I invested in a lie.

We can want to believe what we want to believe but it will get us no where. These monsters have no problem at all wasting another person&#039;s life even though they know damn well we all get just one shot at it. Be careful is all that I&#039;m sayin&#039;. I&#039;m here to be a lesson to everyone.

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-7086">Jan</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Jan,</p>
<p>I had to comment on your comment to Jean&#8230;on your reiteration of what she had posted:) If the two of you truly believe that your guys have a single decent bone in their bodies&#8230;that they can actually change or you could change them or that you can &#8220;fix yourself&#8221; and, thus, fix the relationship&#8230;that they are literally your &#8220;best friends&#8221;, always being there when you needed them, and that your life together is truly &#8220;lovely&#8221;, then either neither of them are narcissists or they are literally the two single exceptions to the rule of all the narcissists on the planet. I thought the same thing as you&#8230;we had awesome, mind-blowing sex for 13-years, I&#8217;d known him half my life, he said all those things when he knew that I needed to hear them, blah blah blah. I wasted the best years of my life&#8230;I invested in a lie.</p>
<p>We can want to believe what we want to believe but it will get us no where. These monsters have no problem at all wasting another person&#8217;s life even though they know damn well we all get just one shot at it. Be careful is all that I&#8217;m sayin&#8217;. I&#8217;m here to be a lesson to everyone.</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 17:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-6154&quot;&gt;Jean&lt;/a&gt;.

Jean... I could have written this: &quot;The confusion I feel is awful as I still feel like he is the love of my life. I am seeking therapy to help me address any issues I may have brought into the relationship so that if he comes back to me I can fix things, but at the same time I believe he has problems which he won’t address. He pushes any perceived ‘problems’ in our relationship back onto me. But I still want to see the good and believe that I could be the one to change him. He doesn’t talk to anyone about his ’emotions’ besides me and the physical attraction we both still feel is overwhelming. I know he still feels both of these things as he has told me and shown me in the last week or so. We are best friends and share friends and had a lovely life together.&quot;   

the never ending string tying us to our fairytale program of happily ever after... i am with you girl!!! haha... wow.  WAKE UP huh?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-6154">Jean</a>.</p>
<p>Jean&#8230; I could have written this: &#8220;The confusion I feel is awful as I still feel like he is the love of my life. I am seeking therapy to help me address any issues I may have brought into the relationship so that if he comes back to me I can fix things, but at the same time I believe he has problems which he won’t address. He pushes any perceived ‘problems’ in our relationship back onto me. But I still want to see the good and believe that I could be the one to change him. He doesn’t talk to anyone about his ’emotions’ besides me and the physical attraction we both still feel is overwhelming. I know he still feels both of these things as he has told me and shown me in the last week or so. We are best friends and share friends and had a lovely life together.&#8221;   </p>
<p>the never ending string tying us to our fairytale program of happily ever after&#8230; i am with you girl!!! haha&#8230; wow.  WAKE UP huh?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 17:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, thank you so much for writing this and I will get the book. reading the comments here has also brought light to mine eyes and so I thank you profusely for this, commenters!  I have been the victim [no more] of 3 of these actually 4 bc I just discovered my mother has some traits of this as well. I am the daughter of a father who was never around, flying for business and showered us with gifts to replace real love. I learned this happened increasingly when I got older bc he had emotional trouble with seeing me as a woman, bc he was a womanizer. Early childhood was fun and easy, but things were weird there too like when he had me walk around the topless beaches of Nice, France, with him taking photos of women.

FFWD - my daughters father was a total narcissist and would always be gone, totally self centered and played out his victimization at work on me when he came home. He spent hours just sitting in his truck in the driveway, avoiding us till it was time to eat or sleep.  He had other issues but this was a major piece in my divorcing him back in 2009-11 [finalized in 2011] HE WAS NEVER THERE and was totally stunned that I wanted a divorce... yeah right buddy, I am an always will be a single mom.  [3 moths prior to the D - He would leave before we woke up and come home after we were asleep -- and never answered his phone, even when I was diagnosed with BC, he was &#039;somewhere&#039;] 

FFWD to now, i had been alone for 6-7yrs and met a guy I had been FB friends with through the Deadhead community [I thought they were more &#039;with it&#039; and &#039;cool&#039; bc I was] He saw me at a Dead and Co show in SF and I didn’t hear him, my friend did, but bc I am an intuitive empath seer HSP shaman lighworker [yah all of that! and an essene ] i had a voice tell me I was going to meet someoen that night.  I realize now he had been psychically targeting me for a while… 

Things he did: 
He was a truck driver so I only saw him one a month or maybe once every two months but the time leading up and away from this was like a drug addict expecting a fix and then despondently desperate after the drug leaves.  I became in a cycle of fear for the leaving bc afterwards he would get all weird and accuse me of being with other men. Yes, the sex was good, more than good and he seemed to activate me sexually like no-one i’d ever experienced before.  this was the drug… I turned into someone I had wanted to be and had been craving to be seen as - a sexy vivacious woman, which I am so I thought this was good. He activated me and I had been dreaming of this kind of spiritual sexual connection bc I thought my marriage would bring this, but it did not. 

He gave us many things, later that I learned were tags he put on us to stake his claim to out energy, he liked us and we fed his need for psychic food.  There were so many things but I resonate the most with the piece about the chaos bc I could never tell when he was going to “go crazy” and suddenly accuse me of trying to attract another man when he was away.  He had, what I later learned was a genetic disposition called ‘morbid jealousy’ and ‘paranoia’ due in part to his lineage [italian and austrian] and also being ‘trained’ and raised by an older father born in 1910 who took him to Vegas a lot.

I am guilty of hoping he would change and that I would somehow find that magic bullet that would make him be the person he was half the time… the dream lover, the kind sweet unconditional giver and provider.  He was going to buy me a house in Utah, but it was a shotgun shape and this was telling… my other was fearing for me and showed me the plan for control he had been laying out of making me isolate through fear.  I am learning so much now!

3am arguments by video chat bc I though he needed to see me to be ok, I seriously thought he was going nuts on the road and that only I could save him.  I see the road did make him nuts… he had been out there for 11years [he said that was 2x to the moon and back] and I think that would make anyone nuts.  I felt like I had to stay on the phone with him on caffeine rushes to keep him awake or going so he could do his job and pay the bills.  A true coda lady!  I was ‘HELPING’.  there were other factors too, his ex baby mama was jailed and the kid now 19 was motherless, but she just suddenly came on the scene when he met me… and now wanted a relationship with the son.  I see now, this was the beginning of trying to make me jealous, the photos of exes on his profile, to get me off center.  I wasn’t bc my love was strong for him and it was new for me… i am loyal and this is why when he was accusing me of cheating, it did not register, but later the gas lighting made me doubt myself and see that i possibly was looking at married men, even though i never pursued them.  He made out that the thought was enough.

Oh! and speaking of enough… there were past life karmic things to clear in the connection with R and so this was also a piece… [yes, I have been through the wringer!] There were catch phrases he’d say “ I AM NOT ENOUGH” meaning him and that he will ‘stay with me until I find someone better’ i mean WTF if thats the case, leave now right? what is that? cognitive dissonance? mind fuckery?  yes all of the above.

We had a lot of fun at concerts, but there was always some weird disconnect there like he was in with the band and I was a giddy gal hooting and hollering dancing my ass off.  It was fun, but it was trippy.  I’d always feel like I wanted him, I was very turned on and needy I think and I own that… I probably have an issue with self control and bc of my upbringing need to look at that. [I’ve been in therapy most of my life and am navigating this well therapy free I believe now, but I must speak on this next part bc its important…] 

This brings me to the tech infiltration.  Bc of my sensitivities, and our online relationship, I feel that he spies on me through my cellular level and technology. I have no contact now  but I feel him in the air around me haunting me like a ghost bc he knows I am sensitive like that.  I am a medium.  So on this level it is a psychic warfare of sorts.  How does one undo this kind of infiltration on the energetic levels?  Well, I have been working with an exorcist and many light worker friends who have been helping me raise my frequency and unloose me from this psychic vampire.  He wrapped me in wire [psychically] to the point of when I healed from this I broke out in a physical rash all over my outside perimeter [not under arms or back of legs funnily enough] only where he crush hugged me one night in the truck.  He asked if he could do this and I let him, but I didn’t understand what he was doing psychically. My friend dewired me and I am free now but not without the scars from the sores.  I got strep which turned into a scarlet fever of sorts, I didn’t understand and this all happened on my move and coincided with the breakup.  Yes, 3 fold whammy… I am strong!!! Leo here. He is a Sagg and i think signs and karma play a part in these things… SO, I had a huge move [10yrs in same place to far away, away from family, sick and a huge breakup]  

I was only with him for 9 months but every full moon we had a drama. He created them… I wasn’t allowed to go to shows w/o him bc he was hawk eyeing me remotely constantly.  It was so hard, I had very acute awareness [even now] of his energy around me.  They try to keep their food scared and isolated. I felt like I was dying many times, I felt like my skin was on fire. [That was the wire - a psychic control system he put in place to make me feel like I was nuts and needed him to be ok.]

So, I am free, but I continue to fight on the psychic levels… there is still program running that down the road, I’ll need him and he’ll be there for me.  He said it.  I believed it.  That when my mother dies and I have no one - no where to go, he’ll be there for me… to control and keep me safe… in his clutches.

I am still working on that one… its in my brain. He played on my fears.  He knew how to read me.  He seemed like a pedophile too.  I didn’t see anything in real but for some reason I’d reach out psychically to my daughter to make sure her soul was ok.  Sometimes this would happen during sex when she was asleep in the other room… this freaked me out bc he seemed to get more excited when this occurred.  BIG RED FLAG.  I didn’t believe this would happen in real, but the thought was ‘around’.   And I am getting warm just typing this truth bc I have not shared this openly with many.  

I am still working on releasing this short but impactful relationship and I hope my sharing this helps others as your shares helped me.

I want to say to the men who are victims of female narcs, I understand your need to be heard.  Please keep speaking up.  This seems to be more prevalent with the men victimizing the women but I know it happens both ways.  I think/believe that the genders flip sometimes… he accused me of being more like a man and he was a woman.  He started the relationship off like that… with that mind fuck but later i realized it was bc of the past life stuff where I was a man and he was a woman and he did act like one.  Leo is a masculine sign and I have always been strong… a light warrior and courageous contender in the fight for truth.  I think thats why God has had me experience this… this dynamic bc I see that there is hope here.  This is why I believe I could have changed him.  In fact I have a friend, a younger woman in Canada, who seemed to exactly mirror my experience with her guy while I was experiencing mine!  it was soooo weird!!!  its still on with them, but she has surrendered to the lessons and is working with him…  he is an addict as mine is and as I am/was.  WE are all in this together… i think its a pretty sick world no?  we have to learn to raise our frequency and stay aware of ourselves as best we can.  I have another old man friend who just wrote me yesterday [knows little of my plight] and he said ‘Jan, and about the men - you dont need one.’

I’ll stop there as I can go on lol [member of on and on and on anon lol] and say thanks for reading…  God bless us all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thank you so much for writing this and I will get the book. reading the comments here has also brought light to mine eyes and so I thank you profusely for this, commenters!  I have been the victim [no more] of 3 of these actually 4 bc I just discovered my mother has some traits of this as well. I am the daughter of a father who was never around, flying for business and showered us with gifts to replace real love. I learned this happened increasingly when I got older bc he had emotional trouble with seeing me as a woman, bc he was a womanizer. Early childhood was fun and easy, but things were weird there too like when he had me walk around the topless beaches of Nice, France, with him taking photos of women.</p>
<p>FFWD &#8211; my daughters father was a total narcissist and would always be gone, totally self centered and played out his victimization at work on me when he came home. He spent hours just sitting in his truck in the driveway, avoiding us till it was time to eat or sleep.  He had other issues but this was a major piece in my divorcing him back in 2009-11 [finalized in 2011] HE WAS NEVER THERE and was totally stunned that I wanted a divorce&#8230; yeah right buddy, I am an always will be a single mom.  [3 moths prior to the D &#8211; He would leave before we woke up and come home after we were asleep &#8212; and never answered his phone, even when I was diagnosed with BC, he was &#8216;somewhere&#8217;] </p>
<p>FFWD to now, i had been alone for 6-7yrs and met a guy I had been FB friends with through the Deadhead community [I thought they were more &#8216;with it&#8217; and &#8216;cool&#8217; bc I was] He saw me at a Dead and Co show in SF and I didn’t hear him, my friend did, but bc I am an intuitive empath seer HSP shaman lighworker [yah all of that! and an essene ] i had a voice tell me I was going to meet someoen that night.  I realize now he had been psychically targeting me for a while… </p>
<p>Things he did:<br />
He was a truck driver so I only saw him one a month or maybe once every two months but the time leading up and away from this was like a drug addict expecting a fix and then despondently desperate after the drug leaves.  I became in a cycle of fear for the leaving bc afterwards he would get all weird and accuse me of being with other men. Yes, the sex was good, more than good and he seemed to activate me sexually like no-one i’d ever experienced before.  this was the drug… I turned into someone I had wanted to be and had been craving to be seen as &#8211; a sexy vivacious woman, which I am so I thought this was good. He activated me and I had been dreaming of this kind of spiritual sexual connection bc I thought my marriage would bring this, but it did not. </p>
<p>He gave us many things, later that I learned were tags he put on us to stake his claim to out energy, he liked us and we fed his need for psychic food.  There were so many things but I resonate the most with the piece about the chaos bc I could never tell when he was going to “go crazy” and suddenly accuse me of trying to attract another man when he was away.  He had, what I later learned was a genetic disposition called ‘morbid jealousy’ and ‘paranoia’ due in part to his lineage [italian and austrian] and also being ‘trained’ and raised by an older father born in 1910 who took him to Vegas a lot.</p>
<p>I am guilty of hoping he would change and that I would somehow find that magic bullet that would make him be the person he was half the time… the dream lover, the kind sweet unconditional giver and provider.  He was going to buy me a house in Utah, but it was a shotgun shape and this was telling… my other was fearing for me and showed me the plan for control he had been laying out of making me isolate through fear.  I am learning so much now!</p>
<p>3am arguments by video chat bc I though he needed to see me to be ok, I seriously thought he was going nuts on the road and that only I could save him.  I see the road did make him nuts… he had been out there for 11years [he said that was 2x to the moon and back] and I think that would make anyone nuts.  I felt like I had to stay on the phone with him on caffeine rushes to keep him awake or going so he could do his job and pay the bills.  A true coda lady!  I was ‘HELPING’.  there were other factors too, his ex baby mama was jailed and the kid now 19 was motherless, but she just suddenly came on the scene when he met me… and now wanted a relationship with the son.  I see now, this was the beginning of trying to make me jealous, the photos of exes on his profile, to get me off center.  I wasn’t bc my love was strong for him and it was new for me… i am loyal and this is why when he was accusing me of cheating, it did not register, but later the gas lighting made me doubt myself and see that i possibly was looking at married men, even though i never pursued them.  He made out that the thought was enough.</p>
<p>Oh! and speaking of enough… there were past life karmic things to clear in the connection with R and so this was also a piece… [yes, I have been through the wringer!] There were catch phrases he’d say “ I AM NOT ENOUGH” meaning him and that he will ‘stay with me until I find someone better’ i mean WTF if thats the case, leave now right? what is that? cognitive dissonance? mind fuckery?  yes all of the above.</p>
<p>We had a lot of fun at concerts, but there was always some weird disconnect there like he was in with the band and I was a giddy gal hooting and hollering dancing my ass off.  It was fun, but it was trippy.  I’d always feel like I wanted him, I was very turned on and needy I think and I own that… I probably have an issue with self control and bc of my upbringing need to look at that. [I’ve been in therapy most of my life and am navigating this well therapy free I believe now, but I must speak on this next part bc its important…] </p>
<p>This brings me to the tech infiltration.  Bc of my sensitivities, and our online relationship, I feel that he spies on me through my cellular level and technology. I have no contact now  but I feel him in the air around me haunting me like a ghost bc he knows I am sensitive like that.  I am a medium.  So on this level it is a psychic warfare of sorts.  How does one undo this kind of infiltration on the energetic levels?  Well, I have been working with an exorcist and many light worker friends who have been helping me raise my frequency and unloose me from this psychic vampire.  He wrapped me in wire [psychically] to the point of when I healed from this I broke out in a physical rash all over my outside perimeter [not under arms or back of legs funnily enough] only where he crush hugged me one night in the truck.  He asked if he could do this and I let him, but I didn’t understand what he was doing psychically. My friend dewired me and I am free now but not without the scars from the sores.  I got strep which turned into a scarlet fever of sorts, I didn’t understand and this all happened on my move and coincided with the breakup.  Yes, 3 fold whammy… I am strong!!! Leo here. He is a Sagg and i think signs and karma play a part in these things… SO, I had a huge move [10yrs in same place to far away, away from family, sick and a huge breakup]  </p>
<p>I was only with him for 9 months but every full moon we had a drama. He created them… I wasn’t allowed to go to shows w/o him bc he was hawk eyeing me remotely constantly.  It was so hard, I had very acute awareness [even now] of his energy around me.  They try to keep their food scared and isolated. I felt like I was dying many times, I felt like my skin was on fire. [That was the wire &#8211; a psychic control system he put in place to make me feel like I was nuts and needed him to be ok.]</p>
<p>So, I am free, but I continue to fight on the psychic levels… there is still program running that down the road, I’ll need him and he’ll be there for me.  He said it.  I believed it.  That when my mother dies and I have no one &#8211; no where to go, he’ll be there for me… to control and keep me safe… in his clutches.</p>
<p>I am still working on that one… its in my brain. He played on my fears.  He knew how to read me.  He seemed like a pedophile too.  I didn’t see anything in real but for some reason I’d reach out psychically to my daughter to make sure her soul was ok.  Sometimes this would happen during sex when she was asleep in the other room… this freaked me out bc he seemed to get more excited when this occurred.  BIG RED FLAG.  I didn’t believe this would happen in real, but the thought was ‘around’.   And I am getting warm just typing this truth bc I have not shared this openly with many.  </p>
<p>I am still working on releasing this short but impactful relationship and I hope my sharing this helps others as your shares helped me.</p>
<p>I want to say to the men who are victims of female narcs, I understand your need to be heard.  Please keep speaking up.  This seems to be more prevalent with the men victimizing the women but I know it happens both ways.  I think/believe that the genders flip sometimes… he accused me of being more like a man and he was a woman.  He started the relationship off like that… with that mind fuck but later i realized it was bc of the past life stuff where I was a man and he was a woman and he did act like one.  Leo is a masculine sign and I have always been strong… a light warrior and courageous contender in the fight for truth.  I think thats why God has had me experience this… this dynamic bc I see that there is hope here.  This is why I believe I could have changed him.  In fact I have a friend, a younger woman in Canada, who seemed to exactly mirror my experience with her guy while I was experiencing mine!  it was soooo weird!!!  its still on with them, but she has surrendered to the lessons and is working with him…  he is an addict as mine is and as I am/was.  WE are all in this together… i think its a pretty sick world no?  we have to learn to raise our frequency and stay aware of ourselves as best we can.  I have another old man friend who just wrote me yesterday [knows little of my plight] and he said ‘Jan, and about the men &#8211; you dont need one.’</p>
<p>I’ll stop there as I can go on lol [member of on and on and on anon lol] and say thanks for reading…  God bless us all.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2016 00:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-1/#comment-4031&quot;&gt;Karly&lt;/a&gt;.

Karly, you hit the nail on the head. Yes, info on sociopaths/narcs/psychopaths would fill a library. Maybe two. A third one for those in the throes of trying to understand, and eventually processing this horrid fact. Welcome to the miasma of cognitive dissonance. Time helps. You said it all in a few sentences. There are no &quot;buts&quot; -- we know. Get out. Don&#039;t concern yourself with their new conquests - they do not matter. Remember when you were small and your parents said (always irked me!!) &quot;You&#039;ll understand when you&#039;re grown up.&quot; -- well, just give it time - time to process - and you will understand. Yes, it&#039;s just unthinkable. You&#039;re not alone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-1/#comment-4031">Karly</a>.</p>
<p>Karly, you hit the nail on the head. Yes, info on sociopaths/narcs/psychopaths would fill a library. Maybe two. A third one for those in the throes of trying to understand, and eventually processing this horrid fact. Welcome to the miasma of cognitive dissonance. Time helps. You said it all in a few sentences. There are no &#8220;buts&#8221; &#8212; we know. Get out. Don&#8217;t concern yourself with their new conquests &#8211; they do not matter. Remember when you were small and your parents said (always irked me!!) &#8220;You&#8217;ll understand when you&#8217;re grown up.&#8221; &#8212; well, just give it time &#8211; time to process &#8211; and you will understand. Yes, it&#8217;s just unthinkable. You&#8217;re not alone.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-6662&quot;&gt;Alan B&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry Alan, I&#039;ve already stated my apology to the guys for the gender use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/male-victims-of-narcissists/&quot;&gt;in this article&lt;/a&gt;. I&#039;ve also written a book specifically for the guys called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TNHK9UC/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;When Evil Is a Pretty Face.&lt;/a&gt; As for my articles, I&#039;m simply not going to constantly refer to narcs as he/she, his/her, etc. when I write. It breaks the flow of the content and, besides, I speak from my own experience and I&#039;m a girl and he was a he.

Zari:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chaos/comment-page-2/#comment-6662">Alan B</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry Alan, I&#8217;ve already stated my apology to the guys for the gender use <a href="http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/male-victims-of-narcissists/">in this article</a>. I&#8217;ve also written a book specifically for the guys called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TNHK9UC/" rel="nofollow">When Evil Is a Pretty Face.</a> As for my articles, I&#8217;m simply not going to constantly refer to narcs as he/she, his/her, etc. when I write. It breaks the flow of the content and, besides, I speak from my own experience and I&#8217;m a girl and he was a he.</p>
<p>Zari:)</p>
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