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		By: Sharbear		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My relationship with a narcissist began when I was 20. He was my boyfriend&#039;s best friend. I had alway held a secret crush on him throughout our high school years. When my then boyfriend (Mark) asked me to marry him I decided to &quot;come clean&quot; and inform Charles (the narcissist) that I had secretly loved him and wondered if he felt the same. He said he did. I immediately broke up with Mark and was honest with him about my feelings for Charles. I broke Mark&#039;s heart and incredibly enough, he has stayed a good friend all these years (I&#039;m now 57, Mark and Charles are now 60). 

Charles and I eloped a few months later in October. I was overcome with love and joy. I was with my soulmate finally, after living with my secret love for him, and he felt the same about me! Perfect, right? Perfect until a few months down the road, life started falling apart, for me anyway. This wonderful man and our fairly tale relationship started coming apart at the seams. I didn&#039;t understand it, he became distant, condescending, subtly abusive. By April, after I was an absolute emotional wreck (thinking it was my fault) we divorced. I still loved him, still thought he was the one for me, my soulmate, but I tried to move on. Over the next several years the patterns of typical narcissistic relationships played out: get back together-the charm, the devaluing, the silent treatment occurred many times. After a period of the silent treatment, he contacted out of the blue. He had moved to Rhode Island by then. He wanted to get together to &quot;talk&quot; about something he needed to tell me. I stupidly agreed. We met and nothing was &quot;talked&quot; about, nothing important revealed, but it got my hopes up, again. Silence again until he called me one day, about a year after that meeting to tell me he was getting married, THAT DAY, and he didn&#039;t know if he could go through with it. I can&#039;t even remember now what my response was, other than &quot;why are you telling me this?&quot;. 

I &quot;forgot&quot; about him (or tried to) then. A year later I married. 

I still held feelings for Charles, but hoped they would fade and they did, to an extent, but they were still there. 

3 children and 14 years later I get a letter from Charles, stating that he&#039;d heard from a mutual friend that I had some health issues going on and he wanted to reach out to see how I was. I was dumbstruck. This letter brought up all my buried feelings and love for him. We began to stay in touch, and I&#039;m not proud of this, but we began an email relationship, both of us venting how we screwed up, married the wrong people, our marriages were not good etc. etc. We never saw each other in person during this time, but I was cheating in my heart for sure. My husband became sick with cancer during this time. He struggled for a year and a half. I was living two lives, being there for my husband and emailing Charles about the journey I was on with my husband and children  (and he was so &quot;supportive and sweet&quot; during all this.). 

Two years after my husband passed (during those two years Charles and I continued our cyber affair) we finally met up again in person. We both had children approximately the same ages and he was still married to his &quot;awful&quot; wife, but we agreed to carry on this crazy affair until our children were out of high school and he would get a divorce. We saw each other maybe 1 or 2 times a year at this point. We told each other how &quot;someday&quot; we will be together again, as it should have been from the beginning. I was his &quot;soulmate&quot; and he was mine. 

So, it&#039;s been 16 years since he first wrote me about his concern for his health. Our respective children have been out of high school for 2 years, he got a divorce 2 years ago. I though-great, we can start our lives now!

These last two years have been a constant cycle of charm her and drop off the face of the Earth (silent treatment). There was always an excuse; work, his kids having issues, his ex being difficult during the divorce, the geographic distance between us, you name it. But I slugged on, believing things would work out, believing in his promises, his love, trusting him. Hoovering me in numerous times, I feel for his bullshit hook, line and sinker. 

The last &quot;episode&quot; began last fall. He hoovered me in, saying he wanted to see me, he&#039;d been just so busy with his business, his daughters, life in general, but he wanted to see me and soon. That never happened. Silence again, through the holidays and into the Spring of &#039;18. I was no contact during this period, but still held out hope. He texted me in April, apologizing for his absence; his father was diagnosed with cancer the previous December and he had been completely involved with that and hoped I understood. Of course I did! Didn&#039;t I ALWAYS understand? So an email, phone call, texing communication began in earnest. In May his father passed. We continued our communication, but by this time I tried to be very conservative with my feelings and what I said to him because I FINALLY started to question things. In July he emailed me a very long letter, asking if I had anyone special in my life and close the email with &quot;Love C&quot;, which he NEVER  did before. we exchanged many emails for the next two or three weeks, culminating in making plans to spend an overnight together in August. 

We met halfway in Massachusetts, he got a hotel room and it was absolutely WONDERFUL, like we didn&#039;t miss a beat. I thought, this is it, we&#039;re on, now we can be together again. We went out for dinner at a very nice restaurant, held hands, went back to the room...blah blah blah. 

After we had returned to our respective cities, I asked when we would be seeing each other again. I heard NOTHING for about two weeks, then an email about how he was SUPER BUSY with work, his apologies for taking so long to get back to me BUT a relationship just wasn&#039;t possible for him. It would be better for him for us to just be friends. 

After reading this I felt like I had just been punched in the stomach and had the wind knocked out of me, but it FINALLY click with me, after 37 years!-that he was an ASSHOLE. I replied yep, I&#039;m with you, have a nice life, bye. 

I looked at his middle daughter&#039;s instagram page last week and there was two photos of her dad and his new wife. 

I know this is extremely long winded, but what I wanted to express is that I&#039;ve spent 37 years, hurting my boyfriend from that time, being a shitty wife and believing in a narcissistic fraud. He put me on that pedestal years ago, then in subtle cruel ways devalued me, then he went underground with the silent treatment and the hoovered his way back into my life-in what feels like a million times. And I let him. 

The good news is...no more. I&#039;ve educated myself over the past several days about being in a relationship with a narcissist, and your website Zari, has been a life saver. Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My relationship with a narcissist began when I was 20. He was my boyfriend&#8217;s best friend. I had alway held a secret crush on him throughout our high school years. When my then boyfriend (Mark) asked me to marry him I decided to &#8220;come clean&#8221; and inform Charles (the narcissist) that I had secretly loved him and wondered if he felt the same. He said he did. I immediately broke up with Mark and was honest with him about my feelings for Charles. I broke Mark&#8217;s heart and incredibly enough, he has stayed a good friend all these years (I&#8217;m now 57, Mark and Charles are now 60). </p>
<p>Charles and I eloped a few months later in October. I was overcome with love and joy. I was with my soulmate finally, after living with my secret love for him, and he felt the same about me! Perfect, right? Perfect until a few months down the road, life started falling apart, for me anyway. This wonderful man and our fairly tale relationship started coming apart at the seams. I didn&#8217;t understand it, he became distant, condescending, subtly abusive. By April, after I was an absolute emotional wreck (thinking it was my fault) we divorced. I still loved him, still thought he was the one for me, my soulmate, but I tried to move on. Over the next several years the patterns of typical narcissistic relationships played out: get back together-the charm, the devaluing, the silent treatment occurred many times. After a period of the silent treatment, he contacted out of the blue. He had moved to Rhode Island by then. He wanted to get together to &#8220;talk&#8221; about something he needed to tell me. I stupidly agreed. We met and nothing was &#8220;talked&#8221; about, nothing important revealed, but it got my hopes up, again. Silence again until he called me one day, about a year after that meeting to tell me he was getting married, THAT DAY, and he didn&#8217;t know if he could go through with it. I can&#8217;t even remember now what my response was, other than &#8220;why are you telling me this?&#8221;. </p>
<p>I &#8220;forgot&#8221; about him (or tried to) then. A year later I married. </p>
<p>I still held feelings for Charles, but hoped they would fade and they did, to an extent, but they were still there. </p>
<p>3 children and 14 years later I get a letter from Charles, stating that he&#8217;d heard from a mutual friend that I had some health issues going on and he wanted to reach out to see how I was. I was dumbstruck. This letter brought up all my buried feelings and love for him. We began to stay in touch, and I&#8217;m not proud of this, but we began an email relationship, both of us venting how we screwed up, married the wrong people, our marriages were not good etc. etc. We never saw each other in person during this time, but I was cheating in my heart for sure. My husband became sick with cancer during this time. He struggled for a year and a half. I was living two lives, being there for my husband and emailing Charles about the journey I was on with my husband and children  (and he was so &#8220;supportive and sweet&#8221; during all this.). </p>
<p>Two years after my husband passed (during those two years Charles and I continued our cyber affair) we finally met up again in person. We both had children approximately the same ages and he was still married to his &#8220;awful&#8221; wife, but we agreed to carry on this crazy affair until our children were out of high school and he would get a divorce. We saw each other maybe 1 or 2 times a year at this point. We told each other how &#8220;someday&#8221; we will be together again, as it should have been from the beginning. I was his &#8220;soulmate&#8221; and he was mine. </p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s been 16 years since he first wrote me about his concern for his health. Our respective children have been out of high school for 2 years, he got a divorce 2 years ago. I though-great, we can start our lives now!</p>
<p>These last two years have been a constant cycle of charm her and drop off the face of the Earth (silent treatment). There was always an excuse; work, his kids having issues, his ex being difficult during the divorce, the geographic distance between us, you name it. But I slugged on, believing things would work out, believing in his promises, his love, trusting him. Hoovering me in numerous times, I feel for his bullshit hook, line and sinker. </p>
<p>The last &#8220;episode&#8221; began last fall. He hoovered me in, saying he wanted to see me, he&#8217;d been just so busy with his business, his daughters, life in general, but he wanted to see me and soon. That never happened. Silence again, through the holidays and into the Spring of &#8217;18. I was no contact during this period, but still held out hope. He texted me in April, apologizing for his absence; his father was diagnosed with cancer the previous December and he had been completely involved with that and hoped I understood. Of course I did! Didn&#8217;t I ALWAYS understand? So an email, phone call, texing communication began in earnest. In May his father passed. We continued our communication, but by this time I tried to be very conservative with my feelings and what I said to him because I FINALLY started to question things. In July he emailed me a very long letter, asking if I had anyone special in my life and close the email with &#8220;Love C&#8221;, which he NEVER  did before. we exchanged many emails for the next two or three weeks, culminating in making plans to spend an overnight together in August. </p>
<p>We met halfway in Massachusetts, he got a hotel room and it was absolutely WONDERFUL, like we didn&#8217;t miss a beat. I thought, this is it, we&#8217;re on, now we can be together again. We went out for dinner at a very nice restaurant, held hands, went back to the room&#8230;blah blah blah. </p>
<p>After we had returned to our respective cities, I asked when we would be seeing each other again. I heard NOTHING for about two weeks, then an email about how he was SUPER BUSY with work, his apologies for taking so long to get back to me BUT a relationship just wasn&#8217;t possible for him. It would be better for him for us to just be friends. </p>
<p>After reading this I felt like I had just been punched in the stomach and had the wind knocked out of me, but it FINALLY click with me, after 37 years!-that he was an ASSHOLE. I replied yep, I&#8217;m with you, have a nice life, bye. </p>
<p>I looked at his middle daughter&#8217;s instagram page last week and there was two photos of her dad and his new wife. </p>
<p>I know this is extremely long winded, but what I wanted to express is that I&#8217;ve spent 37 years, hurting my boyfriend from that time, being a shitty wife and believing in a narcissistic fraud. He put me on that pedestal years ago, then in subtle cruel ways devalued me, then he went underground with the silent treatment and the hoovered his way back into my life-in what feels like a million times. And I let him. </p>
<p>The good news is&#8230;no more. I&#8217;ve educated myself over the past several days about being in a relationship with a narcissist, and your website Zari, has been a life saver. Thank you.</p>
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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2017 06:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-2/#comment-10099&quot;&gt;JJ&lt;/a&gt;.

This is so true and I hear about it all the time. Quite a few years back, a girlfriend of mine tried to have her abusive boyfriend (who basically came to stay one night and never left) &quot;evicted&quot; by the cops. We hid across the street watching in hopes that they would get the job done. Instead, and it was so long ago that I don&#039;t remember exactly what transpired, the cops met us after speaking with him and told HER that she couldn&#039;t return TO HER OWN HOME until he had left. She had to come with me instead of going home and it took him three days to leave. He had a little party and just a grande old time on the way out. I don&#039;t remember the legalities but YES YOU ARE SO RIGHT!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-2/#comment-10099">JJ</a>.</p>
<p>This is so true and I hear about it all the time. Quite a few years back, a girlfriend of mine tried to have her abusive boyfriend (who basically came to stay one night and never left) &#8220;evicted&#8221; by the cops. We hid across the street watching in hopes that they would get the job done. Instead, and it was so long ago that I don&#8217;t remember exactly what transpired, the cops met us after speaking with him and told HER that she couldn&#8217;t return TO HER OWN HOME until he had left. She had to come with me instead of going home and it took him three days to leave. He had a little party and just a grande old time on the way out. I don&#8217;t remember the legalities but YES YOU ARE SO RIGHT!</p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2017 03:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-2/#comment-7145&quot;&gt;Harley wilson&lt;/a&gt;.

I just want to mention to people that anyone who has stayed at your home long enough (most judges use two weeks) has achieved legal tenant status and should be evicted if they do not move when you tell him or her. The person doesn&#039;t have to an address change, the person doesn&#039;t have to receive mail, the person doesn&#039;t have to be on any type of agreement nor do they have pay anything for rent or utilities.  If they want to be an ass, and they are knowledgeable enough in the law, they could sue you for an unlawful eviction just by you throwing their property out.  Please be careful when taking legal matters into your own hands.  I am a legal assistant with 5 years in real estate law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-2/#comment-7145">Harley wilson</a>.</p>
<p>I just want to mention to people that anyone who has stayed at your home long enough (most judges use two weeks) has achieved legal tenant status and should be evicted if they do not move when you tell him or her. The person doesn&#8217;t have to an address change, the person doesn&#8217;t have to receive mail, the person doesn&#8217;t have to be on any type of agreement nor do they have pay anything for rent or utilities.  If they want to be an ass, and they are knowledgeable enough in the law, they could sue you for an unlawful eviction just by you throwing their property out.  Please be careful when taking legal matters into your own hands.  I am a legal assistant with 5 years in real estate law.</p>
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		By: Kendra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2017 18:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Met my guy in 09 as.... Casual friends (sex partners basically). He eluded to feelings for me but I ran back into my ex at the time, arms. Kept mostly distant contact for several yrs bcuz yes I considered him a nice guy &#038; friend. He always was, &#038; is, so charming. Holds doors for women in general, helps old ladies with groceries loves kids &#038; animals. Very well spoken &#038; intelligent &#038; intellectual. Every woman is dubbed &quot;love&quot; or &quot;gorgeous&quot; etc. 2015 after no contact for several yrs (just simply died off naturally) we became Facebook friends. Well last April I became single &#038; started to date my N seriously. Started out great, spending weekends holed up in a hotel, jazz &#038; drinks &#038; of course intimacy. By Aug we were fully committed &#038; I allowed him to move in with me. Not a month later he changed. Suddenly I was a liar about any &#038; every thing. Accused of so much. Going tgru my phone emails etc. Talking about him to people. Couldn&#039;t wash dishes right. Pork is disgusting so don&#039;t kiss him if I eat any.... I&#039;ve got him timed, once or twice a week for more than half of the relationship has been arguing. I ask what did I do he says don&#039;t worry about it after acting like a 10yr old boy. And God forbid I say the words &quot;I&#039;m confused&quot;..... Now I&#039;m questioning my mom my best best friend..... When I grovel at his feet &#038; beg please stay he&#039;s on his throne I can see it. When I just say ok leave he wants to chat &#038; doesn&#039;t go. Once he moved out last month &#038; somehow the keys to my home were stuck to him lol (insert sarcasm) I don&#039;t want to believe he&#039;s a N but I know it &#038; he&#039;s open about being one. Says it keeps him ahead of everyone. Like chess not checkers. Dear God help. I want him gone &#038; with me at the same time. I&#039;m a co-de]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Met my guy in 09 as&#8230;. Casual friends (sex partners basically). He eluded to feelings for me but I ran back into my ex at the time, arms. Kept mostly distant contact for several yrs bcuz yes I considered him a nice guy &amp; friend. He always was, &amp; is, so charming. Holds doors for women in general, helps old ladies with groceries loves kids &amp; animals. Very well spoken &amp; intelligent &amp; intellectual. Every woman is dubbed &#8220;love&#8221; or &#8220;gorgeous&#8221; etc. 2015 after no contact for several yrs (just simply died off naturally) we became Facebook friends. Well last April I became single &amp; started to date my N seriously. Started out great, spending weekends holed up in a hotel, jazz &amp; drinks &amp; of course intimacy. By Aug we were fully committed &amp; I allowed him to move in with me. Not a month later he changed. Suddenly I was a liar about any &amp; every thing. Accused of so much. Going tgru my phone emails etc. Talking about him to people. Couldn&#8217;t wash dishes right. Pork is disgusting so don&#8217;t kiss him if I eat any&#8230;. I&#8217;ve got him timed, once or twice a week for more than half of the relationship has been arguing. I ask what did I do he says don&#8217;t worry about it after acting like a 10yr old boy. And God forbid I say the words &#8220;I&#8217;m confused&#8221;&#8230;.. Now I&#8217;m questioning my mom my best best friend&#8230;.. When I grovel at his feet &amp; beg please stay he&#8217;s on his throne I can see it. When I just say ok leave he wants to chat &amp; doesn&#8217;t go. Once he moved out last month &amp; somehow the keys to my home were stuck to him lol (insert sarcasm) I don&#8217;t want to believe he&#8217;s a N but I know it &amp; he&#8217;s open about being one. Says it keeps him ahead of everyone. Like chess not checkers. Dear God help. I want him gone &amp; with me at the same time. I&#8217;m a co-de</p>
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		By: Melanie Gray		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2017 23:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I realized 2 years ago I was involved with a narcissist. Part of me felt I should have known better because of my education level &#038; experience in mental health. First time I realized is when I decided to be an unskilled detective while he was living with me for 4 yrs.  Even though he had an apartment in the same building.  When I met him my red flag level was 10 high but ignored them bcuz I thought &quot; I won&#039;t get involved with this fool&quot;. I found out through multiple venues... 2 yrs into it.... he was having a relationship with someone for 1 yr, 4 months another &#038; 8 months with another person while living with me. I was devastated! I thought something was wrong with me. I kicked all his shit out, had conversations with the other girls... .I was done....I didn&#039;t see it coming.....manipulation, hovering, fell back. 10 months later my mom dies &#038; I need rush back to Illinois. It was Nov 11, 2015, lost mom. Got back home cuz I have 2 Great Danes to take care of.....he leaves that Thanksgiving to see his parents.  Month October he went to see his parents.  Thought  that was strange considering his relationships with his sibling &#038; mother are abusive. At any rate, he disappears Christmas and NY. I finally find out from his best friend (who is gay- which he is in total denial &#038; homophobic at the same time).  all these trips he was &quot;at home&quot; he was seeing seeing a girl in California.  We break up again...I throw his shit out....He puts on the tears,buys me a diamond ring, I&#039;m sorry. Blah blah..... I&#039;m believing he is sincere so I begin seeing him  1 or 2 times a week. He finally moves into his condo which he bought 4 yrs ago. I was wrong...I find out 1 month ago...he&#039;s been staying with a. Little friend &#038; she&#039;s been staying with him for the last 1 1/2.  What I realize now ( haven&#039;t had contact in17 days) even though he&#039;s banged on my door, come with roses, money etc......he will never change. He is a pathological liar  &#038; gets a thrill from]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realized 2 years ago I was involved with a narcissist. Part of me felt I should have known better because of my education level &amp; experience in mental health. First time I realized is when I decided to be an unskilled detective while he was living with me for 4 yrs.  Even though he had an apartment in the same building.  When I met him my red flag level was 10 high but ignored them bcuz I thought &#8221; I won&#8217;t get involved with this fool&#8221;. I found out through multiple venues&#8230; 2 yrs into it&#8230;. he was having a relationship with someone for 1 yr, 4 months another &amp; 8 months with another person while living with me. I was devastated! I thought something was wrong with me. I kicked all his shit out, had conversations with the other girls&#8230; .I was done&#8230;.I didn&#8217;t see it coming&#8230;..manipulation, hovering, fell back. 10 months later my mom dies &amp; I need rush back to Illinois. It was Nov 11, 2015, lost mom. Got back home cuz I have 2 Great Danes to take care of&#8230;..he leaves that Thanksgiving to see his parents.  Month October he went to see his parents.  Thought  that was strange considering his relationships with his sibling &amp; mother are abusive. At any rate, he disappears Christmas and NY. I finally find out from his best friend (who is gay- which he is in total denial &amp; homophobic at the same time).  all these trips he was &#8220;at home&#8221; he was seeing seeing a girl in California.  We break up again&#8230;I throw his shit out&#8230;.He puts on the tears,buys me a diamond ring, I&#8217;m sorry. Blah blah&#8230;.. I&#8217;m believing he is sincere so I begin seeing him  1 or 2 times a week. He finally moves into his condo which he bought 4 yrs ago. I was wrong&#8230;I find out 1 month ago&#8230;he&#8217;s been staying with a. Little friend &amp; she&#8217;s been staying with him for the last 1 1/2.  What I realize now ( haven&#8217;t had contact in17 days) even though he&#8217;s banged on my door, come with roses, money etc&#8230;&#8230;he will never change. He is a pathological liar  &amp; gets a thrill from</p>
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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zari Ballard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2017 06:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-2/#comment-7614&quot;&gt;Mimi&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Mimi,

If you can, read my book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissist-abuse-support/&quot;&gt;When Love Is a Lie&lt;/a&gt; because my story is just like yours (sans kids). Narcissists love to make us feel like a &quot;drama queen&quot; no matter what they are doing at the time to make us feel that way. This is how they train us to be quiet, to say nothing, to look the other way, blah blah blah but it is all part of the plan. With three kids, you have a bit of a problem and hopefully you will maintain the upper hand. I hope you are getting him for child support, girl! Three kids is a lot and he shouldn&#039;t be able to come and go as he pleases, disappearing and whatever, WITHOUT GIVING YOU SUPPORT. Do it legally if you haven&#039;t already so that the courts have to deal with it and continue with only minimal communication.

Stay strong and stay focused!

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-2/#comment-7614">Mimi</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Mimi,</p>
<p>If you can, read my book <a href="http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissist-abuse-support/">When Love Is a Lie</a> because my story is just like yours (sans kids). Narcissists love to make us feel like a &#8220;drama queen&#8221; no matter what they are doing at the time to make us feel that way. This is how they train us to be quiet, to say nothing, to look the other way, blah blah blah but it is all part of the plan. With three kids, you have a bit of a problem and hopefully you will maintain the upper hand. I hope you are getting him for child support, girl! Three kids is a lot and he shouldn&#8217;t be able to come and go as he pleases, disappearing and whatever, WITHOUT GIVING YOU SUPPORT. Do it legally if you haven&#8217;t already so that the courts have to deal with it and continue with only minimal communication.</p>
<p>Stay strong and stay focused!</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2017 02:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For 14 years I thought I met my soulmate my best friend but our relationship was like a roller coaster on and off arguing fighting there was no communication and he always made me feel like everything was my fault and I&#039;m always paranoid. He never cared about my feelings or what I wanted. I thought maybe because we are still young and he needed to grow up. When I felt distanced and thought he cheated on me he constantly lied and denied everything even when there was evidence. I broke up with him so many times hoping he would change but instead to find out he jumps into a new relationship like it was nothing. Every single time we end it he is the one to start a new relationship then he would come back apologizing crying and tell me he loves me. Now I realize that our relationship was base on an illusion a lie. I always thought maybe I&#039;m a drama queen or always picking a fight with him but to find out he constantly repeats the same action by abusing me mentally and verbally putting me down and calling me names I knew then something is wrong with him not me because love is not supposed to be like this. I&#039;m in the no contact and healing process I have 3 kids with him hopefully this no contact will help I did it for 2 years on him but due to my father passing away my ex took that as a point to come back in my life and asked to start a family again but I knew he didn&#039;t change he didn&#039;t want a family he wanted to see that he still can hurt me. One a narcissist always a narcissist!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For 14 years I thought I met my soulmate my best friend but our relationship was like a roller coaster on and off arguing fighting there was no communication and he always made me feel like everything was my fault and I&#8217;m always paranoid. He never cared about my feelings or what I wanted. I thought maybe because we are still young and he needed to grow up. When I felt distanced and thought he cheated on me he constantly lied and denied everything even when there was evidence. I broke up with him so many times hoping he would change but instead to find out he jumps into a new relationship like it was nothing. Every single time we end it he is the one to start a new relationship then he would come back apologizing crying and tell me he loves me. Now I realize that our relationship was base on an illusion a lie. I always thought maybe I&#8217;m a drama queen or always picking a fight with him but to find out he constantly repeats the same action by abusing me mentally and verbally putting me down and calling me names I knew then something is wrong with him not me because love is not supposed to be like this. I&#8217;m in the no contact and healing process I have 3 kids with him hopefully this no contact will help I did it for 2 years on him but due to my father passing away my ex took that as a point to come back in my life and asked to start a family again but I knew he didn&#8217;t change he didn&#8217;t want a family he wanted to see that he still can hurt me. One a narcissist always a narcissist!!!!</p>
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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2016 09:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-2/#comment-7145&quot;&gt;Harley wilson&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Harley Wilson,

If you read through all the articles on my site, you will see all of the reasons to kick his ass to the curb. If you want a REAL pep talk, then consider &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissist-abuse-support/&quot;&gt;booking some talk time &lt;/a&gt;with me so that I can do it properly. When it comes to narcissism in relationships, pep talks are what I&#039;m all about:)

If you&#039;re not financially reliant on this guy, why are allowing him to stay there and treat you like that? We often hang around to see what happens next as if its happening to someone else but it&#039;s not...it&#039;s happening to us and to our families and, meanwhile, the narc just does what he wants. Do the right thing for your child and kick him out. That won&#039;t make you an &quot;asshole&quot;, it will make you one smart girl!

Book some time and we can talk!

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-2/#comment-7145">Harley wilson</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Harley Wilson,</p>
<p>If you read through all the articles on my site, you will see all of the reasons to kick his ass to the curb. If you want a REAL pep talk, then consider <a href="http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissist-abuse-support/">booking some talk time </a>with me so that I can do it properly. When it comes to narcissism in relationships, pep talks are what I&#8217;m all about:)</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not financially reliant on this guy, why are allowing him to stay there and treat you like that? We often hang around to see what happens next as if its happening to someone else but it&#8217;s not&#8230;it&#8217;s happening to us and to our families and, meanwhile, the narc just does what he wants. Do the right thing for your child and kick him out. That won&#8217;t make you an &#8220;asshole&#8221;, it will make you one smart girl!</p>
<p>Book some time and we can talk!</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I met my N at a bar 3 yrs ago, ended up pregnant with his 1st child right away. He took me out for lunch everyday up until then. Once we knew, he changed, needing money and wanted to get an abortion. Of course I said no. That should have been a red flag but it got worse when I found out he was using drugs and made me choo and made me choose to move out of the place I was living to live with him. It&#039;s been 3 years and now he is financially responsible I guess you would say. The apartment is in my name technically he is not allowed to live here and if I really wanted to be an a****** I could kick him out. He is cutting me off from everybody and the friends I have now he hates. Not to mention he is always right and I&#039;ve even caught him talking to another girl and he even texted my sister by accident something he was supposed to text her and said that he set it up so that I would see it to see how I respond. Which is BS and I know better but with Thanksgiving with two families and my son&#039;s birthday the day after I&#039;m at a loss. We broke up a couple times and he&#039;s always manipulated his way back. He still has an addiction and he blames it on me but I know for a fact it&#039;s not because I got him help in the first place and I have never had problems with drugs. I guess I am waiting for an opportune time to kick him out. I know he&#039;s a narcissist and of course he says he&#039;s not but he&#039;s violent he&#039;s rude and he knows every button to push to get what he wants. I guess what I&#039;m saying is that I really just need a good pep talk. My plan is to wait until he&#039;s gone At work and maybe pack his things and throw them out. Problem is his mother is the very same way as he and she is terrifying. They call me a bad parent and I know I am not I&#039;ve done everything for my child and all he does is sleep or yell at me or tell me something isn&#039;t right even though I&#039;ve done it well. His mother is gone to the lengths of children services on me and trying to keep my child from me and of course the police told her that she can&#039;t do that. So do I cut both of them Off completely because it&#039;s very complicated with children and I know he and she both do a lot for him too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I met my N at a bar 3 yrs ago, ended up pregnant with his 1st child right away. He took me out for lunch everyday up until then. Once we knew, he changed, needing money and wanted to get an abortion. Of course I said no. That should have been a red flag but it got worse when I found out he was using drugs and made me choo and made me choose to move out of the place I was living to live with him. It&#8217;s been 3 years and now he is financially responsible I guess you would say. The apartment is in my name technically he is not allowed to live here and if I really wanted to be an a****** I could kick him out. He is cutting me off from everybody and the friends I have now he hates. Not to mention he is always right and I&#8217;ve even caught him talking to another girl and he even texted my sister by accident something he was supposed to text her and said that he set it up so that I would see it to see how I respond. Which is BS and I know better but with Thanksgiving with two families and my son&#8217;s birthday the day after I&#8217;m at a loss. We broke up a couple times and he&#8217;s always manipulated his way back. He still has an addiction and he blames it on me but I know for a fact it&#8217;s not because I got him help in the first place and I have never had problems with drugs. I guess I am waiting for an opportune time to kick him out. I know he&#8217;s a narcissist and of course he says he&#8217;s not but he&#8217;s violent he&#8217;s rude and he knows every button to push to get what he wants. I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that I really just need a good pep talk. My plan is to wait until he&#8217;s gone At work and maybe pack his things and throw them out. Problem is his mother is the very same way as he and she is terrifying. They call me a bad parent and I know I am not I&#8217;ve done everything for my child and all he does is sleep or yell at me or tell me something isn&#8217;t right even though I&#8217;ve done it well. His mother is gone to the lengths of children services on me and trying to keep my child from me and of course the police told her that she can&#8217;t do that. So do I cut both of them Off completely because it&#8217;s very complicated with children and I know he and she both do a lot for him too.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2016 18:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-2/#comment-6713&quot;&gt;Marie&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Marie,

Good God...is he gone now? I hope so, girl. Whether he&#039;s a narc or not (which it certainly sounds like he is) you have to know he is just a piece of shit. TRUST YOUR INSTINCT!!! I have no doubt that the girl he was living with &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; his girlfriend - &lt;em&gt;of course&lt;/em&gt; she was. You are not paranoid nor are you crazy and you are NOT the problem.

As for getting the truth, no...you will never get it from him. However, you should be comfortable and confident &lt;em&gt;in the truth that you know.&lt;/em&gt; Your instincts were right every time you had that little doubt about something. Hopefully he is gone from your life and blocked from ever being able to contact you again.

Stay strong!

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-2/#comment-6713">Marie</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Marie,</p>
<p>Good God&#8230;is he gone now? I hope so, girl. Whether he&#8217;s a narc or not (which it certainly sounds like he is) you have to know he is just a piece of shit. TRUST YOUR INSTINCT!!! I have no doubt that the girl he was living with <em>was</em> his girlfriend &#8211; <em>of course</em> she was. You are not paranoid nor are you crazy and you are NOT the problem.</p>
<p>As for getting the truth, no&#8230;you will never get it from him. However, you should be comfortable and confident <em>in the truth that you know.</em> Your instincts were right every time you had that little doubt about something. Hopefully he is gone from your life and blocked from ever being able to contact you again.</p>
<p>Stay strong!</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2016 20:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure that I was a narcissist but it feels like it... I met a boy online back in February. We hit it off right away and even though there&#039;s a big age difference (i&#039;m 33 and he&#039;s 25), we got along great. We have opposite work schedules but he would make time for me as much as possible. He asked me to be his girlfriend within a week, but after the 3rd week, he was feeling very distant. When I asked him (via text), he completely blew up and ignored me for about a week. I didn&#039;t contact him then finally he texted me accusing me of ignoring him. We talked, got back together, and in the middle of March he told me he was getting kicked out of the house he was living in. A woman about my age owned the house, and he said that he was renting the basement but her ex husband had shown up and brought in inspectors saying she didn&#039;t have the right to rent it out. So you guessed it, he moved in with me... Everything was going fine, but in May he started to act cold and distant again, so one day, I checked his phone. He was sexting and exchanging dirty pics with several women... I also figured out that when he had given me the silent shortly after we met that he had tried to date another girl (talking online, met up with her and her friends, etc...), saying that I was great and amazing in bed but that the heart knew what the heart wanted... I confronted him and told him he had to move out. He apologized and promised it would never happen again, and I forgave him... Things from then on were like a roller coaster. I was emotional and didn&#039;t trust him at all, so we frequently got into arguments. I often felt awful about my mood swings and worked very hard to forgive him completely, and eventually I did. Then in August he started acting distant again, even changed the code on his phone, and was constantly watching porn and I believe he was talking to other women online but have no proof. We stopped having sex entirely and when I would bring it up he would just change subjects. About a week ago, he was texting me that he was confused. That he had been &quot;looking&quot; at another girl. He said he felt really guilty for being attracted to her and that he was going to go get a drink after work to calm down because he was upset. After waiting for him for hours, I realized that he was probably not coming home... I gathered his clothes and put them in the basement, with a note asking him to move out in September. He has given me the silent treatment ever since. He had loaned me the book &quot;Women&quot; by Charles Bukowski. The book goes on a on about this man using woman after woman for anything and everything, and having sex with any woman that would even get near him, and completely treating them like they were objects. I think he was telling me what he was: a whore who was using me for my house... A narcissist...  I&#039;m upset and now believe that the woman he was living with when I met him was actually his girlfriend (even though he denied ever having any relations with her), and that he&#039;s already dating the new girl. I can&#039;t tell what is real, and what is my paranoia. I also understand that I will probably never get the truth... Is he a narcissist or am I crazy?!?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that I was a narcissist but it feels like it&#8230; I met a boy online back in February. We hit it off right away and even though there&#8217;s a big age difference (i&#8217;m 33 and he&#8217;s 25), we got along great. We have opposite work schedules but he would make time for me as much as possible. He asked me to be his girlfriend within a week, but after the 3rd week, he was feeling very distant. When I asked him (via text), he completely blew up and ignored me for about a week. I didn&#8217;t contact him then finally he texted me accusing me of ignoring him. We talked, got back together, and in the middle of March he told me he was getting kicked out of the house he was living in. A woman about my age owned the house, and he said that he was renting the basement but her ex husband had shown up and brought in inspectors saying she didn&#8217;t have the right to rent it out. So you guessed it, he moved in with me&#8230; Everything was going fine, but in May he started to act cold and distant again, so one day, I checked his phone. He was sexting and exchanging dirty pics with several women&#8230; I also figured out that when he had given me the silent shortly after we met that he had tried to date another girl (talking online, met up with her and her friends, etc&#8230;), saying that I was great and amazing in bed but that the heart knew what the heart wanted&#8230; I confronted him and told him he had to move out. He apologized and promised it would never happen again, and I forgave him&#8230; Things from then on were like a roller coaster. I was emotional and didn&#8217;t trust him at all, so we frequently got into arguments. I often felt awful about my mood swings and worked very hard to forgive him completely, and eventually I did. Then in August he started acting distant again, even changed the code on his phone, and was constantly watching porn and I believe he was talking to other women online but have no proof. We stopped having sex entirely and when I would bring it up he would just change subjects. About a week ago, he was texting me that he was confused. That he had been &#8220;looking&#8221; at another girl. He said he felt really guilty for being attracted to her and that he was going to go get a drink after work to calm down because he was upset. After waiting for him for hours, I realized that he was probably not coming home&#8230; I gathered his clothes and put them in the basement, with a note asking him to move out in September. He has given me the silent treatment ever since. He had loaned me the book &#8220;Women&#8221; by Charles Bukowski. The book goes on a on about this man using woman after woman for anything and everything, and having sex with any woman that would even get near him, and completely treating them like they were objects. I think he was telling me what he was: a whore who was using me for my house&#8230; A narcissist&#8230;  I&#8217;m upset and now believe that the woman he was living with when I met him was actually his girlfriend (even though he denied ever having any relations with her), and that he&#8217;s already dating the new girl. I can&#8217;t tell what is real, and what is my paranoia. I also understand that I will probably never get the truth&#8230; Is he a narcissist or am I crazy?!?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2016 07:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-2/#comment-6661&quot;&gt;Sharon&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Sharon,

Oh, narcissists always cheat or have &lt;em&gt;something&lt;/em&gt; going on. None of us ever thought that or wanted to believe it. But, look, even if he didn&#039;t &quot;cheat&quot;, so what? He treated you and your daughter like shit and used you beyond belief!!! You did the right thing and good for you!!!! Enjoy your freedom and don&#039;t have any doubts - not a single one!

Be free and happy, sister!

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-2/#comment-6661">Sharon</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Sharon,</p>
<p>Oh, narcissists always cheat or have <em>something</em> going on. None of us ever thought that or wanted to believe it. But, look, even if he didn&#8217;t &#8220;cheat&#8221;, so what? He treated you and your daughter like shit and used you beyond belief!!! You did the right thing and good for you!!!! Enjoy your freedom and don&#8217;t have any doubts &#8211; not a single one!</p>
<p>Be free and happy, sister!</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Zaria. I am reading your book for the second time. I relate to everything you say. I had a low level narcissist. Lived in my home and I started a business and took him in as a partner. He wouldn&#039;t do his share of the work on the business and never did his share in the home. We had to buy separate food because he didn&#039;t want to share the expense of the food for my teenage daughter. He wanted everything of mine but didn&#039;t want to share any thing of his. He had other narc characteristics. Never ever took responsibility for his hurts. Never and he gaslight end often. Said things then denied. But I want you to know i kicked him to the curb 8 months ago. Slowly led dooming contact now virtually contact free. Only occassionally to pick up my monthly check. I sold him my company. 
My question is that you talk a lot about cheating and other woman. On that front I&#039;m sure there was no other woman but he was still a full fledge parasitic narcissist. After I read your books I sometimes questioned whether he was because there was no other woman. But I was totally used. He occassionally helped fix things around the house but always with an attitude]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zaria. I am reading your book for the second time. I relate to everything you say. I had a low level narcissist. Lived in my home and I started a business and took him in as a partner. He wouldn&#8217;t do his share of the work on the business and never did his share in the home. We had to buy separate food because he didn&#8217;t want to share the expense of the food for my teenage daughter. He wanted everything of mine but didn&#8217;t want to share any thing of his. He had other narc characteristics. Never ever took responsibility for his hurts. Never and he gaslight end often. Said things then denied. But I want you to know i kicked him to the curb 8 months ago. Slowly led dooming contact now virtually contact free. Only occassionally to pick up my monthly check. I sold him my company.<br />
My question is that you talk a lot about cheating and other woman. On that front I&#8217;m sure there was no other woman but he was still a full fledge parasitic narcissist. After I read your books I sometimes questioned whether he was because there was no other woman. But I was totally used. He occassionally helped fix things around the house but always with an attitude</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2016 03:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this. I just &quot;broke up&quot; with a narcissist. We had a 2 yr relationship in our early 20s that was all bad for me. He used me and it finally ended when I found someone new. Then 20 years later he finds me on fb and what started out as a friendship turned into me cheating on my husband and kicking him out all because this now 41 year old man convinced me that he had changed. I bought it hook, line and sinker. Let him meet my kids because he didn&#039;t want to be a secret. He bought groceries and spent money on them. That part bothers me the most. He told my daughter that he loved me. But a month and a half later, after I loaned him money, he stopped talking to me. I was devastated. I ended up finding out he had another girlfriend while we were together. That&#039;s when I looked up narcissists and sociopaths and I couldn&#039;t believe how everything fit him to a tee. So now he is still trying to keep in contact, on his terms of course. It&#039;s been a month since he discarded me. I blocked his number and he started emailing me. I finally told him today in an email that I&#039;m done and it&#039;s over. My husband and I are working on our relationship and he forgives me for what happened. He also acknowledges his part (we were already having trouble in our marriage). I feel like I was lucky because the narc showed his true colors in less than 3 months. I feel for anyone that is in this situation, especially for years. Even for the short time it was, I feel so violated. I am getting better with every passing day, but the feelings of still wanting him are there, even though I know what he is. I know I&#039;ll get passed this. It will just take time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this. I just &#8220;broke up&#8221; with a narcissist. We had a 2 yr relationship in our early 20s that was all bad for me. He used me and it finally ended when I found someone new. Then 20 years later he finds me on fb and what started out as a friendship turned into me cheating on my husband and kicking him out all because this now 41 year old man convinced me that he had changed. I bought it hook, line and sinker. Let him meet my kids because he didn&#8217;t want to be a secret. He bought groceries and spent money on them. That part bothers me the most. He told my daughter that he loved me. But a month and a half later, after I loaned him money, he stopped talking to me. I was devastated. I ended up finding out he had another girlfriend while we were together. That&#8217;s when I looked up narcissists and sociopaths and I couldn&#8217;t believe how everything fit him to a tee. So now he is still trying to keep in contact, on his terms of course. It&#8217;s been a month since he discarded me. I blocked his number and he started emailing me. I finally told him today in an email that I&#8217;m done and it&#8217;s over. My husband and I are working on our relationship and he forgives me for what happened. He also acknowledges his part (we were already having trouble in our marriage). I feel like I was lucky because the narc showed his true colors in less than 3 months. I feel for anyone that is in this situation, especially for years. Even for the short time it was, I feel so violated. I am getting better with every passing day, but the feelings of still wanting him are there, even though I know what he is. I know I&#8217;ll get passed this. It will just take time.</p>
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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2016 02:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-1/#comment-5548&quot;&gt;Jennifer&lt;/a&gt;.

Amen, sister! I&#039;m grateful too that you were led to my blog and I hope you find nothing but comfort and validation here. I&#039;m here to support you. I survived and you can too!

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-1/#comment-5548">Jennifer</a>.</p>
<p>Amen, sister! I&#8217;m grateful too that you were led to my blog and I hope you find nothing but comfort and validation here. I&#8217;m here to support you. I survived and you can too!</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2016 09:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good day seems that I left a marriage for this ------ ???? I really don&#039;t believe I&#039;ve done that I I have to be very honest about GOD that led me to this site and on a whim I just entered a search criteria and this site came up.  I am a nurse and I didn&#039;t specialize in pyschiatry even standard pychiatry deals with schizrophenia etc however N stands gruesome pathetic unbelievable 
I am in this relationship for 22 yrs. Thankfully never married him and have two children with him whom he&#039;s never supported.  I didn&#039;t trust him thought that I&#039;m doomed to stay in this relationship but ladies take note Psalm 91 and God getting u out of the fowlers snare.  For self preservation I listened to Lady a song written by Lionel Richie and making that as GOD singing it to me and making the Lord ur Maker your husband I may sound overtly religious however He has been my strenght.  I had something to compare him to aand that being my husband this ass sought only to embarass]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good day seems that I left a marriage for this &#8212;&#8212; ???? I really don&#8217;t believe I&#8217;ve done that I I have to be very honest about GOD that led me to this site and on a whim I just entered a search criteria and this site came up.  I am a nurse and I didn&#8217;t specialize in pyschiatry even standard pychiatry deals with schizrophenia etc however N stands gruesome pathetic unbelievable<br />
I am in this relationship for 22 yrs. Thankfully never married him and have two children with him whom he&#8217;s never supported.  I didn&#8217;t trust him thought that I&#8217;m doomed to stay in this relationship but ladies take note Psalm 91 and God getting u out of the fowlers snare.  For self preservation I listened to Lady a song written by Lionel Richie and making that as GOD singing it to me and making the Lord ur Maker your husband I may sound overtly religious however He has been my strenght.  I had something to compare him to aand that being my husband this ass sought only to embarass</p>
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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2016 19:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/#comment-5406&quot;&gt;gloria&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Gloria,

There&#039;s no way of knowing. The bottom line is that you need to continue on as if he won&#039;t be hoovering and blocking him at all avenues so that he couldn&#039;t hoover even if he wanted to.

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/#comment-5406">gloria</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Gloria,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way of knowing. The bottom line is that you need to continue on as if he won&#8217;t be hoovering and blocking him at all avenues so that he couldn&#8217;t hoover even if he wanted to.</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2016 14:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If the narcissist has had a new supply for a while, will he still Hoover @ some point??]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since I&#039;ve started reading your articles Step by step I get improved.. It was such a relief to know all about my narcissist ex bf and yes breaking up with that jerk was easier than what I thought before.. Know I completely get over him and move on easily, I&#039;m happy without any regret or wishes to take him back :) thank you very much...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I&#8217;ve started reading your articles Step by step I get improved.. It was such a relief to know all about my narcissist ex bf and yes breaking up with that jerk was easier than what I thought before.. Know I completely get over him and move on easily, I&#8217;m happy without any regret or wishes to take him back 🙂 thank you very much&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello Zari

I&#039;ve been in a &#039;relationship&#039; (I can&#039;t even call it that...) with a narcissist I met online, for four draining years.
The hot and cold, seduce and discard, I recognise so very clearly from reading your blog. &#039;Crock of Shit&#039; is indeed a very good way to describe it.
The guy I met was super charming, a real dream boat (aren&#039;t they all)...4 years later, and I am an emotional wreck and seriously out of pocket financially.
I can&#039;t bring myself to list the whole relationship debacle here, it is too awful! Lets just give an example....I went to spend a weekend with him recently after he encouraged me and bombarded me every day....As soon as I got home he ignored me, then said he was going away for a week &#039;incommunicado&#039; to meditate and think about his life ...YEAH RIGHT!
After that week (someone else no doubt....) he was back on the scene, schmoozing me again to go over for a holiday, days of texts and sending me pictures (always of him he he he how narcissistic is that?) then...this weekend, he has vanished.
My (I am sorry to say) pleading texts have been met with stony replies. I asked for a time to talk to him and he said He wasn&#039;t able to answer, and could I be patient. :(
My response, for the first time in 4 years, has been to tell him where to go.
I am very distressed by this and could do with someone to talk to. Is your phone service completely confidential?
Despite it all...and it has been the gimmest experience of my entire life!...I still have a sense of humour. Every time he sent a picture of himself...which was daily! I thought &quot; you vain sod&quot;...and he never asked for a pic of me he he.
Look forward to any comments at this very very difficult time.
Thanks everyone

Julianne]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Zari</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in a &#8216;relationship&#8217; (I can&#8217;t even call it that&#8230;) with a narcissist I met online, for four draining years.<br />
The hot and cold, seduce and discard, I recognise so very clearly from reading your blog. &#8216;Crock of Shit&#8217; is indeed a very good way to describe it.<br />
The guy I met was super charming, a real dream boat (aren&#8217;t they all)&#8230;4 years later, and I am an emotional wreck and seriously out of pocket financially.<br />
I can&#8217;t bring myself to list the whole relationship debacle here, it is too awful! Lets just give an example&#8230;.I went to spend a weekend with him recently after he encouraged me and bombarded me every day&#8230;.As soon as I got home he ignored me, then said he was going away for a week &#8216;incommunicado&#8217; to meditate and think about his life &#8230;YEAH RIGHT!<br />
After that week (someone else no doubt&#8230;.) he was back on the scene, schmoozing me again to go over for a holiday, days of texts and sending me pictures (always of him he he he how narcissistic is that?) then&#8230;this weekend, he has vanished.<br />
My (I am sorry to say) pleading texts have been met with stony replies. I asked for a time to talk to him and he said He wasn&#8217;t able to answer, and could I be patient. 🙁<br />
My response, for the first time in 4 years, has been to tell him where to go.<br />
I am very distressed by this and could do with someone to talk to. Is your phone service completely confidential?<br />
Despite it all&#8230;and it has been the gimmest experience of my entire life!&#8230;I still have a sense of humour. Every time he sent a picture of himself&#8230;which was daily! I thought &#8221; you vain sod&#8221;&#8230;and he never asked for a pic of me he he.<br />
Look forward to any comments at this very very difficult time.<br />
Thanks everyone</p>
<p>Julianne</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2015 01:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-1/#comment-3971&quot;&gt;Sheryl Lockard&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;Sheryl wrote...&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;I won’t beat myself up for being deceived by an N. So far so good no pain, no desire to call him, just a quiet breeze of freedom. Have always loved music and dancing, today was the first time in years that I heard the words to a song and felt the music, what a renewal. &lt;/em&gt; Amen!

Hi Sheryl,

Thank you for writing and for reading my book. If you can, I would so appreciate it if you&#039;d leave a review at Amazon:) 

I love the way you have expressed the immediate feelings you are having...the breeze of freedom and finally hearing music and &lt;em&gt;feeling&lt;/em&gt; it. Those feelings will come and go and then one day very soon you will realize they are here to stay. That they have come &lt;em&gt;back&lt;/em&gt;. I&#039;m grateful that you have your own place where you can recover in peace and I&#039;m grateful that you aren&#039;t beating yourself up. How can we &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; blame ourselves for caring about another human soul or about assuming that the person we love is telling us the truth? Neither is a flaw by any means. The key is to understand that this person can not be fixed and does not want to be fixed and that we deserve to be happy.

Stay strong and feel free to write anytime. I am here to support you!

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-1/#comment-3971">Sheryl Lockard</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Sheryl wrote&#8230;</strong><em>I won’t beat myself up for being deceived by an N. So far so good no pain, no desire to call him, just a quiet breeze of freedom. Have always loved music and dancing, today was the first time in years that I heard the words to a song and felt the music, what a renewal. </em> Amen!</p>
<p>Hi Sheryl,</p>
<p>Thank you for writing and for reading my book. If you can, I would so appreciate it if you&#8217;d leave a review at Amazon:) </p>
<p>I love the way you have expressed the immediate feelings you are having&#8230;the breeze of freedom and finally hearing music and <em>feeling</em> it. Those feelings will come and go and then one day very soon you will realize they are here to stay. That they have come <em>back</em>. I&#8217;m grateful that you have your own place where you can recover in peace and I&#8217;m grateful that you aren&#8217;t beating yourself up. How can we <em>really</em> blame ourselves for caring about another human soul or about assuming that the person we love is telling us the truth? Neither is a flaw by any means. The key is to understand that this person can not be fixed and does not want to be fixed and that we deserve to be happy.</p>
<p>Stay strong and feel free to write anytime. I am here to support you!</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just downloaded your book. Incredible! Been with an N for 5 years. He was unfaithful from the beginning, lied, disappeared and threatened suidcide on an average of once a week. Moved in with him a year ago. He became silent, meaner, and thru temper tantrums constantly. Usually happened when I would ask him for help with projects or he was caught contacting other women. I moved into my own home 6 months ago and continued to see him, dinner and so on. I have been repulsed  sexually because of his unfaithfulness, sex once in the last 6 months. I was so frightened to totally disconnect from him for fear he would kill himself. I know of one attempt. He was great to be with the past 6 months but last week the garbage started again. I am an intelligent women and have had many life changing moments. Some good and some devastating. I won&#039;t beat myself up for being deceived by an N. So far so good no pain, no desire to call him, just a quiet breeze of freedom. Have always loved music and dancing, today was the first time in years that I heard the words to a song and felt the music, what a renewal. As for your book it reinforced everything I already knew plus more. Thank you so very much. As for today I am at peace, no longer feel frightened, have no desire to hear from him and don&#039;t give a damn about his welfare. As for revenge not even an issue, I see him as a contaminated, vile, sick human. The No Call rule is in place. Everything is blocked. As for those that are suffering in an N relationship, please read Narcissist Free it is a suvival guide, great reinforcement for moments the pain comes back and it could save your life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just downloaded your book. Incredible! Been with an N for 5 years. He was unfaithful from the beginning, lied, disappeared and threatened suidcide on an average of once a week. Moved in with him a year ago. He became silent, meaner, and thru temper tantrums constantly. Usually happened when I would ask him for help with projects or he was caught contacting other women. I moved into my own home 6 months ago and continued to see him, dinner and so on. I have been repulsed  sexually because of his unfaithfulness, sex once in the last 6 months. I was so frightened to totally disconnect from him for fear he would kill himself. I know of one attempt. He was great to be with the past 6 months but last week the garbage started again. I am an intelligent women and have had many life changing moments. Some good and some devastating. I won&#8217;t beat myself up for being deceived by an N. So far so good no pain, no desire to call him, just a quiet breeze of freedom. Have always loved music and dancing, today was the first time in years that I heard the words to a song and felt the music, what a renewal. As for your book it reinforced everything I already knew plus more. Thank you so very much. As for today I am at peace, no longer feel frightened, have no desire to hear from him and don&#8217;t give a damn about his welfare. As for revenge not even an issue, I see him as a contaminated, vile, sick human. The No Call rule is in place. Everything is blocked. As for those that are suffering in an N relationship, please read Narcissist Free it is a suvival guide, great reinforcement for moments the pain comes back and it could save your life.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-1/#comment-3918&quot;&gt;Misty&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;Misty wrote...&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Best revenge? Become the whole person you were meant to be and be happy. Isn’t it a sad life that the only way you can be happy is because of another person? That’s a narc life and thats sad.&lt;/em&gt;

Amen, sister! Feel free to share your insight anytime....

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-1/#comment-3918">Misty</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Misty wrote&#8230;</strong><em>Best revenge? Become the whole person you were meant to be and be happy. Isn’t it a sad life that the only way you can be happy is because of another person? That’s a narc life and thats sad.</em></p>
<p>Amen, sister! Feel free to share your insight anytime&#8230;.</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good evening everyone and Zari

These people have serious serious traumas that they are running from in their childhood. Like these people are soooooo fucked up; you have to be to inflict pain on someone and are happy about it. My N was classic for all of these characteristics. In my case, I couldn&#039;t understand why I was in a relationship but felt alone all at the same damn time. Then it clicked....this is also a familiar feeling. Why was it familiar? My mother is a narcissist. How your able to be on this constant roller coaster ride? In my case, I was raised by a Narc so I&#039;ve been &quot;taught&quot; how to deal with this. It seems to be the typical. Co dependent and narcicissists fit like a hand in a glove. During and after my relationship I did a lot of reflecting and soul searching; these people will tear you into pieces. I thank him for waking me up; making me see he&#039;s not the only person who had issues in the relationship. No contact is the only way; it sends them into a tailspin....and I LOVE watching this bitch squirm.....to listen to a vm to hear him distraught? EPIC!!! What goes around comes around. Best revenge? Become the whole person you were meant to be and be happy. Isn&#039;t it a sad life that the only way you can be happy is because of another person? That&#039;s a narc life and thats sad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good evening everyone and Zari</p>
<p>These people have serious serious traumas that they are running from in their childhood. Like these people are soooooo fucked up; you have to be to inflict pain on someone and are happy about it. My N was classic for all of these characteristics. In my case, I couldn&#8217;t understand why I was in a relationship but felt alone all at the same damn time. Then it clicked&#8230;.this is also a familiar feeling. Why was it familiar? My mother is a narcissist. How your able to be on this constant roller coaster ride? In my case, I was raised by a Narc so I&#8217;ve been &#8220;taught&#8221; how to deal with this. It seems to be the typical. Co dependent and narcicissists fit like a hand in a glove. During and after my relationship I did a lot of reflecting and soul searching; these people will tear you into pieces. I thank him for waking me up; making me see he&#8217;s not the only person who had issues in the relationship. No contact is the only way; it sends them into a tailspin&#8230;.and I LOVE watching this bitch squirm&#8230;..to listen to a vm to hear him distraught? EPIC!!! What goes around comes around. Best revenge? Become the whole person you were meant to be and be happy. Isn&#8217;t it a sad life that the only way you can be happy is because of another person? That&#8217;s a narc life and thats sad.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2015 17:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/breaking-up-with-narcissist/comment-page-1/#comment-3425&quot;&gt;Rebecca&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Rebecca, I&#039;m sorry to hear what your going threw!
I&#039;m a guy and my story is about my female Narcasist and what I&#039;ve learned threw all the years is to understand NPD know there tricks and somehow shake them off . When you start thinking of him shake like a dog when it get out of the water , that will remove the thought from your mind . Another thing to remember is not how great the person was but think From start to finish. What I mean is in your mind think about the relationship from when it started and see it to the end and unstand why it ended ? The abuse, the lies, how he feeds off your emotions . Understand that he feels for only himself ! Your just a toy to him !

My personal motto Is to use my Ex&#039;s line ! I dont Care ! Keep saying that in your head and shut down and thought of him . Also I use to keep a rubber band on my wrist and any thought of her I would snap it hard and that would recorrect me . 

Lots of luck and dont let him pull you in to the Crazyness of his empty world !

One last line I use to say , If you dance with the clowns your bound to join the circus ! So dont do it !]]></description>
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<p>Hi Rebecca, I&#8217;m sorry to hear what your going threw!<br />
I&#8217;m a guy and my story is about my female Narcasist and what I&#8217;ve learned threw all the years is to understand NPD know there tricks and somehow shake them off . When you start thinking of him shake like a dog when it get out of the water , that will remove the thought from your mind . Another thing to remember is not how great the person was but think From start to finish. What I mean is in your mind think about the relationship from when it started and see it to the end and unstand why it ended ? The abuse, the lies, how he feeds off your emotions . Understand that he feels for only himself ! Your just a toy to him !</p>
<p>My personal motto Is to use my Ex&#8217;s line ! I dont Care ! Keep saying that in your head and shut down and thought of him . Also I use to keep a rubber band on my wrist and any thought of her I would snap it hard and that would recorrect me . </p>
<p>Lots of luck and dont let him pull you in to the Crazyness of his empty world !</p>
<p>One last line I use to say , If you dance with the clowns your bound to join the circus ! So dont do it !</p>
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