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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2018 07:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-3/#comment-11038&quot;&gt;Amy&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you Amy! You made my night....May this Xmas Eve be much different than the last one! &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/contact-us/&quot;&gt;Contact me via my email&lt;/a&gt; and catch me up:)...Do it!....xo]]></description>
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<p>Thank you Amy! You made my night&#8230;.May this Xmas Eve be much different than the last one! <a href="http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/contact-us/">Contact me via my email</a> and catch me up:)&#8230;Do it!&#8230;.xo</p>
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		By: Amy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2018 01:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You saved my life on Xmas eve 
You sent me your audiobooks free when my daughter and I left the man I know now is a narcissist and I want to let you know I still think about you everyday 

Amy massacre. Blonde]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You saved my life on Xmas eve<br />
You sent me your audiobooks free when my daughter and I left the man I know now is a narcissist and I want to let you know I still think about you everyday </p>
<p>Amy massacre. Blonde</p>
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		By: Debbie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2018 16:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’ve been married for 45 years to a Narcissist. I’m standing up for myself finally and am ready to end the marriage. However the ways he sucks me back in are relentless.  unfortunately my children don’t understand and no one else see this behavior.  I feel so alone and have a hard time putting me first.  He’s so good at manipulating in ways that look like he such a caring guy. He’s taking full blame for our bad marriage and other think that is so noble but it still feel like manipulation because I should be able to forgive him and stay in the marriage. Wish I could prove who he really is. It’s like trying to prove the wind exists. I feel so stuck and after years of  being put down I don’t know how to move forward without others approval. No one can see what I see and they think I’m aweful for wanting out of a marriage that looks good. I have a million dollar house and anything money could buy but I’m miserable and alone and broken]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been married for 45 years to a Narcissist. I’m standing up for myself finally and am ready to end the marriage. However the ways he sucks me back in are relentless.  unfortunately my children don’t understand and no one else see this behavior.  I feel so alone and have a hard time putting me first.  He’s so good at manipulating in ways that look like he such a caring guy. He’s taking full blame for our bad marriage and other think that is so noble but it still feel like manipulation because I should be able to forgive him and stay in the marriage. Wish I could prove who he really is. It’s like trying to prove the wind exists. I feel so stuck and after years of  being put down I don’t know how to move forward without others approval. No one can see what I see and they think I’m aweful for wanting out of a marriage that looks good. I have a million dollar house and anything money could buy but I’m miserable and alone and broken</p>
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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2017 18:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-8857&quot;&gt;Knight&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Knight,

That is the saddest letter I have ever read here. I am so sorry about your mom and how she treated and treats you - but you are a unique person with your own life and your own wonderful qualities. She doesn&#039;t have to be your reflection! Please find a way to channel your sadness...WRITE, WRITE, WRITE. Tell your story and so many will resonate with it. It is so important that you do this, my friend. 

The truth is that you didn&#039;t let yourself down at all...SHE let YOU down. This is her fault. I can&#039;t imagine anything worse than having a mom who is a narcissist...or anything sadder...but do not give up. You are special and worth so much in this world. Please tell your story and you will soon find an entire online community that needs you. Your importance in this life is enormous and you can reach out to others. I did and it changed my whole life...spiritually, financially, and personally. You can do the same.

I apologize for taking so long to write back. If you like, please &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/contact-us/&quot;&gt;contact me here&lt;/a&gt; and I will write to you. I don&#039;t want you to feel alone in this life. We are all here to support you...

Much Love,

Zari xoxox]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-8857">Knight</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Knight,</p>
<p>That is the saddest letter I have ever read here. I am so sorry about your mom and how she treated and treats you &#8211; but you are a unique person with your own life and your own wonderful qualities. She doesn&#8217;t have to be your reflection! Please find a way to channel your sadness&#8230;WRITE, WRITE, WRITE. Tell your story and so many will resonate with it. It is so important that you do this, my friend. </p>
<p>The truth is that you didn&#8217;t let yourself down at all&#8230;SHE let YOU down. This is her fault. I can&#8217;t imagine anything worse than having a mom who is a narcissist&#8230;or anything sadder&#8230;but do not give up. You are special and worth so much in this world. Please tell your story and you will soon find an entire online community that needs you. Your importance in this life is enormous and you can reach out to others. I did and it changed my whole life&#8230;spiritually, financially, and personally. You can do the same.</p>
<p>I apologize for taking so long to write back. If you like, please <a href="http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/contact-us/">contact me here</a> and I will write to you. I don&#8217;t want you to feel alone in this life. We are all here to support you&#8230;</p>
<p>Much Love,</p>
<p>Zari xoxox</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2017 00:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[...
I found out my nmother is a narc in Nov 2016 when she called the police on me for defending myself against her constant tyranny. It was the last straw for me and I ended up reading and learning all I could about narcs. I have a very obsessive personality so I often times skip eating or even moving my body because I am so focused on whatever it is I&#039;m doing. I have read and learnt so much and yet it still terrifies me to the core. Reading this article just hurts. To know the truth and reality of my situation. To know my nmother will never love me. That she never did. That she doesn&#039;t even see me. That I don&#039;t matter to her at all. It makes me feel like crying even though I&#039;ve cried about this too many times already. The tears don&#039;t fall anymore. But inside I am still broken. Healing, and stronger every day, but not even close to who I used to be. I just wish it wasn&#039;t true...

I wish I hadn&#039;t been &quot;smart enough&quot; to see behind the mask. Wish I had just played along. Though I don&#039;t really wish that. I just wish none of this was happening. Oh well. Just another thing to add to the list of the mess that is my life. I wonder if things will ever get better. I wonder if &quot;better&quot; will ever be good enough. It makes me sad to think of what a wonderful person I know I could have turned out to be had she not been my sad excuse for an almost parent. It makes me sad to know my &quot;family&quot; will never believe a word I say, and even if they did, would not care at all. The smear campaign is in full effect and I have lost everyone in my life who ever meant anything to me. I even lost myself for a time. I wonder, is there  such a fate worse than this? The unseen pain of death by a thousand paper cuts. The whittling down of the soul. The meticulous eroding of self-esteem. All for some sick person&#039;s pleasure. Just a game. 

I don&#039;t even know what else to say. I think the saddest part is no one (apart from other survivors/victims) will ever know my pain. I read a quote once: &quot;history is written by the victor&quot;. That&#039;s what this feels like. Like I have just been deleted from existence. Blotted out. Never to make the history books. She has told the only story anyone is interested in hearing. No one will ever know my story. Well, maybe one day. I guess I wanted to be a writer since a few years now. I guess I got a story to tell now. But it&#039;s not complete. I still have to find a way out of this madness. Living here is not living at all. &quot;A graveyard where nothing can ever grow.&quot; That&#039;s how I described &quot;home&quot; when I was 14. My instincts were always on point. But I doubted myself. I&#039;m so sorry. I hope I can forgive myself one day. I never deserved any of this. I truly let myself down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;<br />
I found out my nmother is a narc in Nov 2016 when she called the police on me for defending myself against her constant tyranny. It was the last straw for me and I ended up reading and learning all I could about narcs. I have a very obsessive personality so I often times skip eating or even moving my body because I am so focused on whatever it is I&#8217;m doing. I have read and learnt so much and yet it still terrifies me to the core. Reading this article just hurts. To know the truth and reality of my situation. To know my nmother will never love me. That she never did. That she doesn&#8217;t even see me. That I don&#8217;t matter to her at all. It makes me feel like crying even though I&#8217;ve cried about this too many times already. The tears don&#8217;t fall anymore. But inside I am still broken. Healing, and stronger every day, but not even close to who I used to be. I just wish it wasn&#8217;t true&#8230;</p>
<p>I wish I hadn&#8217;t been &#8220;smart enough&#8221; to see behind the mask. Wish I had just played along. Though I don&#8217;t really wish that. I just wish none of this was happening. Oh well. Just another thing to add to the list of the mess that is my life. I wonder if things will ever get better. I wonder if &#8220;better&#8221; will ever be good enough. It makes me sad to think of what a wonderful person I know I could have turned out to be had she not been my sad excuse for an almost parent. It makes me sad to know my &#8220;family&#8221; will never believe a word I say, and even if they did, would not care at all. The smear campaign is in full effect and I have lost everyone in my life who ever meant anything to me. I even lost myself for a time. I wonder, is there  such a fate worse than this? The unseen pain of death by a thousand paper cuts. The whittling down of the soul. The meticulous eroding of self-esteem. All for some sick person&#8217;s pleasure. Just a game. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even know what else to say. I think the saddest part is no one (apart from other survivors/victims) will ever know my pain. I read a quote once: &#8220;history is written by the victor&#8221;. That&#8217;s what this feels like. Like I have just been deleted from existence. Blotted out. Never to make the history books. She has told the only story anyone is interested in hearing. No one will ever know my story. Well, maybe one day. I guess I wanted to be a writer since a few years now. I guess I got a story to tell now. But it&#8217;s not complete. I still have to find a way out of this madness. Living here is not living at all. &#8220;A graveyard where nothing can ever grow.&#8221; That&#8217;s how I described &#8220;home&#8221; when I was 14. My instincts were always on point. But I doubted myself. I&#8217;m so sorry. I hope I can forgive myself one day. I never deserved any of this. I truly let myself down.</p>
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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2017 19:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-7986&quot;&gt;mjohn&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Mjohn,

I&#039;m so running behind in my responses! So sorry! I hope that you are holding strong. Her motivation is the fact that she senses your strength and pulling away. At the moment we feel better, they will suddenly reappear to suck as back in. This is a very typical tactic. It has nothing to do with &quot;missing&quot; us except for the fact that they &quot;miss&quot; the convenience of our insecurity and willingness to give in. You have to stand strong train &quot;her&quot; to YOUR way, not the reverse. You&#039;ve come too far to ever back down now, my friend. Stay engaged for the children but keep it to a minimum always. 20 years is a long time and I&#039;m grateful that you are free. She doesn&#039;t really want you to be happy because then she can&#039;t control you. Stay on top of the game, be the best dad you can be, and enjoy the rest of your life.

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-7986">mjohn</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Mjohn,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so running behind in my responses! So sorry! I hope that you are holding strong. Her motivation is the fact that she senses your strength and pulling away. At the moment we feel better, they will suddenly reappear to suck as back in. This is a very typical tactic. It has nothing to do with &#8220;missing&#8221; us except for the fact that they &#8220;miss&#8221; the convenience of our insecurity and willingness to give in. You have to stand strong train &#8220;her&#8221; to YOUR way, not the reverse. You&#8217;ve come too far to ever back down now, my friend. Stay engaged for the children but keep it to a minimum always. 20 years is a long time and I&#8217;m grateful that you are free. She doesn&#8217;t really want you to be happy because then she can&#8217;t control you. Stay on top of the game, be the best dad you can be, and enjoy the rest of your life.</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2017 06:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the article. It was particularly helpful because the use of phone contact for hoovering is what I&#039;m dealing with now. My wife discarded me after years of her narcissistic abuse by obtaining a restraining order against me when I started to stand up to her. The forced no contact has actually been really beneficial to me and helped me get my head straight about the damage her narcissism has caused to me and my children. 
Anyway, 4 months into the restraining order now and the hoovering has begun in full force. Emotional messages are being sent through my mother. Possessions of sentimental value are being sent from my house (that I can&#039;t enter). However, the phone use has been the real kicker. On my last six scheduled phone calls with my children, she started answering the phone. She hadn&#039;t done it once in almost 4 months. Now every time she just dangles herself out there to tempt me to break no contact.I just ask to please speak to my children by their names, talking to her as if she were just a receptionist, who I don&#039;t know. 
The interesting thing about this is that in 20 years of marriage it is the first time I feel like she is cracking and I&#039;m winning a battle. She has always so thoroughly manipulated me by my fear of losing her that I have always done her bidding when push comes to shove. Because of the ending of our relationship and the no contact, I am now free of that burden. I now know that she is really emotionally desperate herself, but her impulse to manipulate and control me is still overwhelming. Not quite sure what her motivation is. Maybe she misses me, but maybe she just is trying to entrap me. (Maybe both at the same time?) Navigating the next couple years of my life will be difficult,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article. It was particularly helpful because the use of phone contact for hoovering is what I&#8217;m dealing with now. My wife discarded me after years of her narcissistic abuse by obtaining a restraining order against me when I started to stand up to her. The forced no contact has actually been really beneficial to me and helped me get my head straight about the damage her narcissism has caused to me and my children.<br />
Anyway, 4 months into the restraining order now and the hoovering has begun in full force. Emotional messages are being sent through my mother. Possessions of sentimental value are being sent from my house (that I can&#8217;t enter). However, the phone use has been the real kicker. On my last six scheduled phone calls with my children, she started answering the phone. She hadn&#8217;t done it once in almost 4 months. Now every time she just dangles herself out there to tempt me to break no contact.I just ask to please speak to my children by their names, talking to her as if she were just a receptionist, who I don&#8217;t know.<br />
The interesting thing about this is that in 20 years of marriage it is the first time I feel like she is cracking and I&#8217;m winning a battle. She has always so thoroughly manipulated me by my fear of losing her that I have always done her bidding when push comes to shove. Because of the ending of our relationship and the no contact, I am now free of that burden. I now know that she is really emotionally desperate herself, but her impulse to manipulate and control me is still overwhelming. Not quite sure what her motivation is. Maybe she misses me, but maybe she just is trying to entrap me. (Maybe both at the same time?) Navigating the next couple years of my life will be difficult,</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-7230&quot;&gt;Annette Calandriello&lt;/a&gt;.

Annette forgiveness is for you NOT him. When you are able to forgive you will finally be free, if you choose to hold on to the pain and hurt he caused you will stay under his control forever. You must not turn the pain back in on yourself by forgiving him you must also forgive yourself for the pain you allowed. In my opinion this is the hardest part not to turn the blame inward. Forgiveness can take time to process and is not instant. I would say 6 months to year to heal and fully forgive is completely normal. Don&#039;t let him hold power over your emotions for one minute longer! He did those things because he himself is hurting, it says nothing about you and everything about what he himself is lacking. You are stronger and by forgiving you can take back your power. Hope this helps..]]></description>
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<p>Annette forgiveness is for you NOT him. When you are able to forgive you will finally be free, if you choose to hold on to the pain and hurt he caused you will stay under his control forever. You must not turn the pain back in on yourself by forgiving him you must also forgive yourself for the pain you allowed. In my opinion this is the hardest part not to turn the blame inward. Forgiveness can take time to process and is not instant. I would say 6 months to year to heal and fully forgive is completely normal. Don&#8217;t let him hold power over your emotions for one minute longer! He did those things because he himself is hurting, it says nothing about you and everything about what he himself is lacking. You are stronger and by forgiving you can take back your power. Hope this helps..</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2016 00:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-7230&quot;&gt;Annette Calandriello&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Annette,

I did just respond to your last post. All I can say is read through all the articles here. There are over eighty and I have tried to cover every topic possible. Also, read through the comments under each article because the people that share their stories here are amazing and will give you a world of insight. We&#039;ve all been in your shoes and YOU CAN DO THIS. Start the new year right, sister!

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-7230">Annette Calandriello</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Annette,</p>
<p>I did just respond to your last post. All I can say is read through all the articles here. There are over eighty and I have tried to cover every topic possible. Also, read through the comments under each article because the people that share their stories here are amazing and will give you a world of insight. We&#8217;ve all been in your shoes and YOU CAN DO THIS. Start the new year right, sister!</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2016 14:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t heard back from you, I &#039; m sure you are extremely busy .Still very grateful for your helpful information, I will NEVER have contact with my N again.And at this point not able to FORGIVE him.I know I need to but I can&#039;t let him off the hook that easily.He took years from me, that I can&#039;t get back. Any suggestions? Annette Calandriello]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t heard back from you, I &#8216; m sure you are extremely busy .Still very grateful for your helpful information, I will NEVER have contact with my N again.And at this point not able to FORGIVE him.I know I need to but I can&#8217;t let him off the hook that easily.He took years from me, that I can&#8217;t get back. Any suggestions? Annette Calandriello</p>
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		By: Zari Ballard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-7100&quot;&gt;carrie&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Carrie,

WOW...that is one nightmare story right out of a creepy movie. The entire time that I was reading it, I had characters envisioned in my mind and - yes - like Norman Bates and his mother! OMG...and the cake. I would have slept with one eye open that night too. Good God! My ex had a weird relationship with his mom too - so many of them do. Yikes! So crazy. The way you describe yourself as his mother&#039;s &quot;meat for the lion&quot; gave me the chills. I pictured the scene of the cat cake like out some creepy Tarantino film!!

Yes, my sister, be mindful of your emotions and realize that any hoover will come as a mother-son tag team. Block him, her, and anyone who has anything to do with them...especially now that it is the holidays. If you ever want to talk about it, consider &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissist-abuse-support/&quot;&gt;booking some talk time&lt;/a&gt; with me. I will keep you on the straight and narrow. Yes, these people are predators on a very grande scale and they have no business in your life. If we allow it, they will waste every second of our lives away.

Stay strong and keep your eye on the prize - your happiness. Never waiver! If you need me, I am here and we all will support you:)

Zari xo]]></description>
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<p>Hi Carrie,</p>
<p>WOW&#8230;that is one nightmare story right out of a creepy movie. The entire time that I was reading it, I had characters envisioned in my mind and &#8211; yes &#8211; like Norman Bates and his mother! OMG&#8230;and the cake. I would have slept with one eye open that night too. Good God! My ex had a weird relationship with his mom too &#8211; so many of them do. Yikes! So crazy. The way you describe yourself as his mother&#8217;s &#8220;meat for the lion&#8221; gave me the chills. I pictured the scene of the cat cake like out some creepy Tarantino film!!</p>
<p>Yes, my sister, be mindful of your emotions and realize that any hoover will come as a mother-son tag team. Block him, her, and anyone who has anything to do with them&#8230;especially now that it is the holidays. If you ever want to talk about it, consider <a href="http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissist-abuse-support/">booking some talk time</a> with me. I will keep you on the straight and narrow. Yes, these people are predators on a very grande scale and they have no business in your life. If we allow it, they will waste every second of our lives away.</p>
<p>Stay strong and keep your eye on the prize &#8211; your happiness. Never waiver! If you need me, I am here and we all will support you:)</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2016 08:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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Your right deadly lying bitch my half sister was and is a Narcisstic had been all her life. I to sue my half sister and gmhrt son for placing me on elder abuse and killing moms cat burning momd home and killing her cat then accusing me of burning the house. Then while I was in intensive xsre in Iowa city Diana went to two court houses to stop me from sitting with our mom. That didn&#039;t work do she told the hospital staff in my home town that I beat our mom and to Never allow Me  to be alone with mom]]></description>
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<p>Your right deadly lying bitch my half sister was and is a Narcisstic had been all her life. I to sue my half sister and gmhrt son for placing me on elder abuse and killing moms cat burning momd home and killing her cat then accusing me of burning the house. Then while I was in intensive xsre in Iowa city Diana went to two court houses to stop me from sitting with our mom. That didn&#8217;t work do she told the hospital staff in my home town that I beat our mom and to Never allow Me  to be alone with mom</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2016 08:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Read me Val Heike I write about my narcississ half sister who placed me without proof on Elder Abuse. Harassed our mom by calling her 70 times a week then threatening her our mom. Mom wanted to remain in Iowa then after we spoke to my priest and he told us his to fight Iowa Human Services and keep the money crabbing bitch away from mom. Next night we had a laundry fire! No one heard me when I told them what she did . I cared for my mom all my life. I was the scapegoat dad always used me for leaving family gatherings Diana crushed the life from me. I to show her that when mkm tells you no I want to stay with my family that dies not mean burn my home lie about my daughter and kill my cat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read me Val Heike I write about my narcississ half sister who placed me without proof on Elder Abuse. Harassed our mom by calling her 70 times a week then threatening her our mom. Mom wanted to remain in Iowa then after we spoke to my priest and he told us his to fight Iowa Human Services and keep the money crabbing bitch away from mom. Next night we had a laundry fire! No one heard me when I told them what she did . I cared for my mom all my life. I was the scapegoat dad always used me for leaving family gatherings Diana crushed the life from me. I to show her that when mkm tells you no I want to stay with my family that dies not mean burn my home lie about my daughter and kill my cat.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been on and off in N relationship for the last 4 years. It has torn my world apart I did not realize I was even in one till small things that were red lights turned slowly but methodically into massive head turning cold hearted words then to actions, a pattern began. I realized after very painful situations and his reactions or no reaction AND...very abnormal one&#039;s that were indeed ALL the signs of a NP .

 I have been discarded many times, dealt with word salad, gas lighting, got hooked into his family of which BTW his mother is I believe also one.

 That is another story upon itself there I was patronized by the mother when I confronted her about her son . I was told i was a liar and he is the perfect son that I was the sick one . I was told to get help , mocked by her and by him . I have had full on arguments to defend my soul in there house with both demons on me him and her ( the dad passive in the corner) telling me complete lies one feeding the other . The whole family are NP. He got me involved with his family right at the get go the love bombing the wealthy family house and the glitter blinded me. Until about 4 months in he started to show signs of oddities in his behavior. He would start fights with me out of the blue do things on purpose to ruin date nights . I found condoms in his car then one day one was gone..I asked him about it he said I was delusional I was sick I was lying get help.. then  silent 

 He would freeze me out, he would do things to make me paranoid like guard his phone like fort knox. I was going crazy working like a detective sleuth to figure this guy out...exactly what he wanted indeed. 
 I found bizarre phone numbers in his cell all of which were women. A trip he told me the day he left no warning no heads up...again more numbers while he was on this trip were on his phone. It went from bad to worse to a night mare Hollywood style Norman Bates .

 I also realized he was a hoarder hence never going to see his place till a year and a half in I was blown away at the mess the stuff you could not even go into the room he slept in. Another piece to the puzzle another ahhh ha moment. There were times I was sick with flu really badly, and the absolute worst one of the many kicker. Is I had a skin cancer diagnosed and it was not a good one. I am ok now very lucky but I realized that day not only did the Dr. say I have Cancer in the office lol...  when I went to the car where he was waiting I told him .

And here is what will make any normal person cry . he said  without blinking an eye that&quot; too bad&quot; .  Well lets get going I have to go back to my folks place no work here this winter did I tell you I was leaving today!.&quot;...

 I said &quot; you never told me that?&quot;... I was in tears in crisis panic mode for good reason.  He told me that in fact he had told me and that I knew this and I should not be upset . He was gas lighting me telling me he told me all this and it was my fault for not listening he made the whole thing up to confuse me... then I am thinking maybe he did tell me he was leaving.. but NO IN FACT IT WAS WORD SALAD BULLSHIT TO MAKE ME feel nuts and more confused and mask his lies and evil shit he had planned ..I was now discard with the cancer  that was inconveniencing his life. Only tru psychopath could do this to someone.Not one ounce of empathy, care , concern..absolute only care was for himself...



The more I cried the more he got evil like... shut up am leaving no big deal (totally not considering me or my cancer) He was getting angrier and angrier like it was my fault for having cancer and I was now in his way a boat anchor he had to toss out. I said when will you be back he said in a  week. That week turned into 3 months . Later of which I discovered he was on a dating site under a similar handle name of his own and indeed this was him . No pics but latter I played a cat mouse game with him as an imposter on the site and he not once wanted to deliver any pics of himself in case it was the GF..but the answers were clar it was him indeed..

.I dealt with the cancer on my own with friends and family we got through I am ok and well of that at least.

I would hear from him I tried my best to NC but my vulnerability and my addiction was stronger. Which has been the puzzling factor with NP they leave a very very deep addiction withdrawal symptom in there victims . I think because when you are with them and it&#039;s GOOD it&#039;s really good there intoxicating. But so was Ted Bundy. 

 The worst to get out of because he wrapped me up in his NP mother too I didnt know it could be in the family as well a whole team !!!  this made it double hard . She would dott on me then back stab me to her son . She was able to gain her weapons as did he this way turning on me saying she never said that then same thing as her son... your delusional I never said those things.. your PMSING.... or have you reached menopause...? just berating things to minimize me.She would play good cop bad cop then unveil the mask of horrors latter as arsenal against me to stack up her son&#039;s defense and behavior.

 HIs lies are so good so precise, he could fool anyone. 

  One time I was so upset about the cancer i was having panic attack I called him I was in tears he started laughing on the phone I was talking about why he left me that day in the car and how cold awful he was..
  doing so.. I was confronting him about that day... he was laughing chuckling in the phone.. then he would take the phone away and put it down then pick it up 5 min latter laugh.. absolute torture and loving it.
  the say I gotta go then put me on the SPAM list right to voice mail.. and freeze me out some more.. 

 The mother..she would come to me and complain about her husband how it was all his fault her son drinks and cant keep a GF..bitch all her N crap about how bad a father he was ..more like he is too scared to speak up he might get castrated who knows.. 

 They were like these 2 parasites feeding off me anyone that dared to question her or her son was headed for the abyss of pain they instill. 

 The story gets worse can you believe it: This is when I 100 % knew I was dealing with family NP or pure Psychopaths... or N.

  MY NP birthday at his families house...consisted of his mother baking him a cake the shape of a cat with whiskers and nose and ears a cake for a 4 year old. !!!   he loved it apparently the family legacy every year!!!!
  She says here&#039;s to another birthday for my boy and lets keep passing this along...lets take the legacy to your daughter.

 ..I have a daughter who is now 8 . yes we all sat there her and I even at her age she spoke up and said...
  That cake is for a kid not a an adult... lol!!  the mother was trying to create infantile sickness to her too. The NP I am discussing is well over 40 !! yrs old. I said lets hope not ... she shot me a look and so did he .

  I was so scared
  I went to the bed room that night tossing and turning feeling like I was indeed in THEIR LAIR.... a sitting duck what was I involved in and how did  this happen ?? like a speed up movie of a night mare.

   I went home with the fear of god in me thinking.. I am in deeper than I thought they have there claws in my life digging in deeper and deeper and I am seeing exactly how bad this really is going down holy shit!!

   I ran for my life...I did a NC for 4 months  I broke down again..lol he hoovered and got me back. I had so much guilt and depression self hate for doing this but I tried at least to keep him at a very good distance in snippets .
  more for intimacy to ease my loneliness as pathetic as it sounds..but I never let him in my house for long or involved with my daughter after the true colors were falling out of the closets. I saw him maybe once every 2 weeks in total
  despair and PTSD more than anything.

   Things like holidays, trips, vacations he ruined was manipulative, callous, my few last Birthdays he made me feel so bad about the fact that he HAD to buy me gifts or a dinner out was appalling to him.. he often said women should pay for him take him out... that women were nothing but whores to get dinners out of guys and money. That no man should fork over money or gifts not even for special occasions. I think he slept with hookers probably..

 Here is a good one for the ruin er of birthdays : He said he was going to buy me a computer lap top for it. He looked and looked and promised up and down. As he went on looking he started to change his tune the closer it got to my birthday. He was more angry..he said everything was too expensive he wont spend more than a few hundred bucks if that???on me quote on quote... he was broke..

 Then I looked on his favorites list and found a game computers for 2,000 $$ ?? I don&#039;t play video games...he owns 4 computer... does he need a 5th..?

  HE DOES....!!  the night of my birthday he announced he bought a computer he brought it over.. it was for him he said.. isnt it great he said in glee watching my face very carefully for reaction. He was so pleased with this 
  chess move. He was waiting for any flinch of my body or voice to give him the suffering he so likes to inflict.. 

  I did not flinch I was calm. I said how nice then lets go for dinner..as planned.. he said ok very unwilling.. then said..&quot; I will give you a few hundred bucks tomorrow to buy yourself something&quot; you know this damn dinner of yours
 will cost me another fortune this is just bullshit.. &quot; why people have expectations....&quot; his intention was to never give a bloody thing if he could help it for my special day.

   I said zero... other than well if you really intend on giving me the money now or tomorrow wont make a difference lets stop by the ATM... on the way to dinner..
  He was steaming... at this point I wanted to push the buttons of the N cheap skate and have him lose something out of all this mess he has tried to ruin.. 

  I got the cash we went to dinner I ordered most expensive bottle of wine, cocktails..steak and lobster, appies, desert , desert wine, coffee and then the bill arrived. 
  I went to the washroom called a cab and went out the back door. First time I felt some control back of my life even it was childish..the better was to NC. I know.

  Sad but true... that computer just got more expensive a dinner for 2 tuned into a dinner for 6 ...lol at the very least I was one step ahead of him that one time only.

  Enough was enough.. same thing he had done for the previous year as well a grand present he would lord over me getting me all excited about the big birthday..
  to his beloved and the let down extreme pain.. all premeditated and planned.Same with Christmas, same with his parents
  at Christmas he sends his sister 25 bucks in a card..he makes over 40.00$ an hour full time wage..bitches about how it&#039;s such an inconvenience other peoples lives. There so so selfish ....lol

  he complains that he is broke no one understands makes everyone feel bad for even being alive or even breath on him repulses him esp subjects on money and giving on occasions

 BUT.... 
 HERE IS THE IRONY.... IF IT IS ON HIS TERMS.....ONLY... WHEN HE IS SCAMMING A GAME ON YOU HE WILL DROP A MINT A SMALL FORTUNE TO LOVE BOMB YOU OR give false apologies to set you up
  for the next massive attack he has on you of head games and lies and DD and more crap. OR if he needs something out of you using you . 

  If he has to be forced into any unconditional love /philanthropy, kindness, EMOTIONS... he is ruthless and calculating his way to destroy your day and your life ..him and mommy dearest do the same she will drop a mighty fortune
  on me just to keep me around as what I call MEAT TO THE LION her son.. I was only like meat /food to entertain her son so he wouldn&#039;t be alone in the world.. I was her N supply as well .

  I left NC she e mailed me to say she had a trip for the whole family bought and paid for .. yes indeed she could not stand the lose of control and her son&#039;s loss of control  during my NC of 4 months.  
 Currently , I am on the path to recovery and educating myself more and more about these monsters. He is charm, money , great sex, so loving when he wants to be so cute ..then the other side I have seen is pure
 monster, jekly hyde, very very very different. So different you think he could win an academy for his hiding. How can anyone hide the monster like that under false niceties. I really do think there demons...

 I don&#039;t know he has had no relationship more than a few years no kids not married..but married to mom only, like they have some pact . He even calls her HON short for honey..barfff...
 who knows what goes on behind closed doors lol it&#039;s just so bizarre the entire relationship even with his mother he just worships her like an child...and she keeps him needy on her he is her N supply too  .

  There all a bunch of nut jobs that should be all behind bars to save our society lol of the pain they all inflict..

   MY story my experience. Still on the mend very very heart breaking it has destroyed my life for now am trying to muster the strength to never go back to never fall for his charm or his mother charm.. to be latter
  told my opinion and ideas are worthless as they have so told me . it has been 2 against one the whole time and I am sick of it so am trying to NC to save myself from the stress and smile again know who I am again..

  Ive lost my self and I am getting help , I have friends, and I am very aware of there tactics now all to well. I busy myself and try not to think of the good times. I have notes on the wall to NC and motivational cards to see as well around the house to not slip into a routine of the psychopath N. I try yoga and beautify myself and life to care of ME it is about me now surviving the after math .

   It is so painful the NC process I am having PTSD again. I wake up at 5 in the am shaking my body is reacting. I have woken up in tears having a panic attack.. it is like drugs.
   It is no pain no gain of a better life I will never be free or happy I will be his pawn to destroy and I have a daughter to bring up and my family to love and friends to talk to . Its those times alone or at night , morning time..
   the worst . Why all this it was the way the insidious nature of HOW he planned to take me out.. tearing at my life bit by bit.. 

    I am healing am trying I am dedicated to this I am fighting not just the boyfriend Np but history of family of his family its a dbl whammy.  I have all my help on speed dial cause it&#039;s like an alcoholic  trying to quit.
    Why do these parasites have so much control over us more than any other it astonishes me how I would be attracted like a moth to the flame. Must be kind to myself and one step at a time one day at a time.
    I will just move slow and be mindful of all my emotions and just try and not deal with it too much because when I think of all the times he has been that monster I can not function and I NEED to function and live a happy life.
   I deserve that. And more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been on and off in N relationship for the last 4 years. It has torn my world apart I did not realize I was even in one till small things that were red lights turned slowly but methodically into massive head turning cold hearted words then to actions, a pattern began. I realized after very painful situations and his reactions or no reaction AND&#8230;very abnormal one&#8217;s that were indeed ALL the signs of a NP .</p>
<p> I have been discarded many times, dealt with word salad, gas lighting, got hooked into his family of which BTW his mother is I believe also one.</p>
<p> That is another story upon itself there I was patronized by the mother when I confronted her about her son . I was told i was a liar and he is the perfect son that I was the sick one . I was told to get help , mocked by her and by him . I have had full on arguments to defend my soul in there house with both demons on me him and her ( the dad passive in the corner) telling me complete lies one feeding the other . The whole family are NP. He got me involved with his family right at the get go the love bombing the wealthy family house and the glitter blinded me. Until about 4 months in he started to show signs of oddities in his behavior. He would start fights with me out of the blue do things on purpose to ruin date nights . I found condoms in his car then one day one was gone..I asked him about it he said I was delusional I was sick I was lying get help.. then  silent </p>
<p> He would freeze me out, he would do things to make me paranoid like guard his phone like fort knox. I was going crazy working like a detective sleuth to figure this guy out&#8230;exactly what he wanted indeed.<br />
 I found bizarre phone numbers in his cell all of which were women. A trip he told me the day he left no warning no heads up&#8230;again more numbers while he was on this trip were on his phone. It went from bad to worse to a night mare Hollywood style Norman Bates .</p>
<p> I also realized he was a hoarder hence never going to see his place till a year and a half in I was blown away at the mess the stuff you could not even go into the room he slept in. Another piece to the puzzle another ahhh ha moment. There were times I was sick with flu really badly, and the absolute worst one of the many kicker. Is I had a skin cancer diagnosed and it was not a good one. I am ok now very lucky but I realized that day not only did the Dr. say I have Cancer in the office lol&#8230;  when I went to the car where he was waiting I told him .</p>
<p>And here is what will make any normal person cry . he said  without blinking an eye that&#8221; too bad&#8221; .  Well lets get going I have to go back to my folks place no work here this winter did I tell you I was leaving today!.&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p> I said &#8221; you never told me that?&#8221;&#8230; I was in tears in crisis panic mode for good reason.  He told me that in fact he had told me and that I knew this and I should not be upset . He was gas lighting me telling me he told me all this and it was my fault for not listening he made the whole thing up to confuse me&#8230; then I am thinking maybe he did tell me he was leaving.. but NO IN FACT IT WAS WORD SALAD BULLSHIT TO MAKE ME feel nuts and more confused and mask his lies and evil shit he had planned ..I was now discard with the cancer  that was inconveniencing his life. Only tru psychopath could do this to someone.Not one ounce of empathy, care , concern..absolute only care was for himself&#8230;</p>
<p>The more I cried the more he got evil like&#8230; shut up am leaving no big deal (totally not considering me or my cancer) He was getting angrier and angrier like it was my fault for having cancer and I was now in his way a boat anchor he had to toss out. I said when will you be back he said in a  week. That week turned into 3 months . Later of which I discovered he was on a dating site under a similar handle name of his own and indeed this was him . No pics but latter I played a cat mouse game with him as an imposter on the site and he not once wanted to deliver any pics of himself in case it was the GF..but the answers were clar it was him indeed..</p>
<p>.I dealt with the cancer on my own with friends and family we got through I am ok and well of that at least.</p>
<p>I would hear from him I tried my best to NC but my vulnerability and my addiction was stronger. Which has been the puzzling factor with NP they leave a very very deep addiction withdrawal symptom in there victims . I think because when you are with them and it&#8217;s GOOD it&#8217;s really good there intoxicating. But so was Ted Bundy. </p>
<p> The worst to get out of because he wrapped me up in his NP mother too I didnt know it could be in the family as well a whole team !!!  this made it double hard . She would dott on me then back stab me to her son . She was able to gain her weapons as did he this way turning on me saying she never said that then same thing as her son&#8230; your delusional I never said those things.. your PMSING&#8230;. or have you reached menopause&#8230;? just berating things to minimize me.She would play good cop bad cop then unveil the mask of horrors latter as arsenal against me to stack up her son&#8217;s defense and behavior.</p>
<p> HIs lies are so good so precise, he could fool anyone. </p>
<p>  One time I was so upset about the cancer i was having panic attack I called him I was in tears he started laughing on the phone I was talking about why he left me that day in the car and how cold awful he was..<br />
  doing so.. I was confronting him about that day&#8230; he was laughing chuckling in the phone.. then he would take the phone away and put it down then pick it up 5 min latter laugh.. absolute torture and loving it.<br />
  the say I gotta go then put me on the SPAM list right to voice mail.. and freeze me out some more.. </p>
<p> The mother..she would come to me and complain about her husband how it was all his fault her son drinks and cant keep a GF..bitch all her N crap about how bad a father he was ..more like he is too scared to speak up he might get castrated who knows.. </p>
<p> They were like these 2 parasites feeding off me anyone that dared to question her or her son was headed for the abyss of pain they instill. </p>
<p> The story gets worse can you believe it: This is when I 100 % knew I was dealing with family NP or pure Psychopaths&#8230; or N.</p>
<p>  MY NP birthday at his families house&#8230;consisted of his mother baking him a cake the shape of a cat with whiskers and nose and ears a cake for a 4 year old. !!!   he loved it apparently the family legacy every year!!!!<br />
  She says here&#8217;s to another birthday for my boy and lets keep passing this along&#8230;lets take the legacy to your daughter.</p>
<p> ..I have a daughter who is now 8 . yes we all sat there her and I even at her age she spoke up and said&#8230;<br />
  That cake is for a kid not a an adult&#8230; lol!!  the mother was trying to create infantile sickness to her too. The NP I am discussing is well over 40 !! yrs old. I said lets hope not &#8230; she shot me a look and so did he .</p>
<p>  I was so scared<br />
  I went to the bed room that night tossing and turning feeling like I was indeed in THEIR LAIR&#8230;. a sitting duck what was I involved in and how did  this happen ?? like a speed up movie of a night mare.</p>
<p>   I went home with the fear of god in me thinking.. I am in deeper than I thought they have there claws in my life digging in deeper and deeper and I am seeing exactly how bad this really is going down holy shit!!</p>
<p>   I ran for my life&#8230;I did a NC for 4 months  I broke down again..lol he hoovered and got me back. I had so much guilt and depression self hate for doing this but I tried at least to keep him at a very good distance in snippets .<br />
  more for intimacy to ease my loneliness as pathetic as it sounds..but I never let him in my house for long or involved with my daughter after the true colors were falling out of the closets. I saw him maybe once every 2 weeks in total<br />
  despair and PTSD more than anything.</p>
<p>   Things like holidays, trips, vacations he ruined was manipulative, callous, my few last Birthdays he made me feel so bad about the fact that he HAD to buy me gifts or a dinner out was appalling to him.. he often said women should pay for him take him out&#8230; that women were nothing but whores to get dinners out of guys and money. That no man should fork over money or gifts not even for special occasions. I think he slept with hookers probably..</p>
<p> Here is a good one for the ruin er of birthdays : He said he was going to buy me a computer lap top for it. He looked and looked and promised up and down. As he went on looking he started to change his tune the closer it got to my birthday. He was more angry..he said everything was too expensive he wont spend more than a few hundred bucks if that???on me quote on quote&#8230; he was broke..</p>
<p> Then I looked on his favorites list and found a game computers for 2,000 $$ ?? I don&#8217;t play video games&#8230;he owns 4 computer&#8230; does he need a 5th..?</p>
<p>  HE DOES&#8230;.!!  the night of my birthday he announced he bought a computer he brought it over.. it was for him he said.. isnt it great he said in glee watching my face very carefully for reaction. He was so pleased with this<br />
  chess move. He was waiting for any flinch of my body or voice to give him the suffering he so likes to inflict.. </p>
<p>  I did not flinch I was calm. I said how nice then lets go for dinner..as planned.. he said ok very unwilling.. then said..&#8221; I will give you a few hundred bucks tomorrow to buy yourself something&#8221; you know this damn dinner of yours<br />
 will cost me another fortune this is just bullshit.. &#8221; why people have expectations&#8230;.&#8221; his intention was to never give a bloody thing if he could help it for my special day.</p>
<p>   I said zero&#8230; other than well if you really intend on giving me the money now or tomorrow wont make a difference lets stop by the ATM&#8230; on the way to dinner..<br />
  He was steaming&#8230; at this point I wanted to push the buttons of the N cheap skate and have him lose something out of all this mess he has tried to ruin.. </p>
<p>  I got the cash we went to dinner I ordered most expensive bottle of wine, cocktails..steak and lobster, appies, desert , desert wine, coffee and then the bill arrived.<br />
  I went to the washroom called a cab and went out the back door. First time I felt some control back of my life even it was childish..the better was to NC. I know.</p>
<p>  Sad but true&#8230; that computer just got more expensive a dinner for 2 tuned into a dinner for 6 &#8230;lol at the very least I was one step ahead of him that one time only.</p>
<p>  Enough was enough.. same thing he had done for the previous year as well a grand present he would lord over me getting me all excited about the big birthday..<br />
  to his beloved and the let down extreme pain.. all premeditated and planned.Same with Christmas, same with his parents<br />
  at Christmas he sends his sister 25 bucks in a card..he makes over 40.00$ an hour full time wage..bitches about how it&#8217;s such an inconvenience other peoples lives. There so so selfish &#8230;.lol</p>
<p>  he complains that he is broke no one understands makes everyone feel bad for even being alive or even breath on him repulses him esp subjects on money and giving on occasions</p>
<p> BUT&#8230;.<br />
 HERE IS THE IRONY&#8230;. IF IT IS ON HIS TERMS&#8230;..ONLY&#8230; WHEN HE IS SCAMMING A GAME ON YOU HE WILL DROP A MINT A SMALL FORTUNE TO LOVE BOMB YOU OR give false apologies to set you up<br />
  for the next massive attack he has on you of head games and lies and DD and more crap. OR if he needs something out of you using you . </p>
<p>  If he has to be forced into any unconditional love /philanthropy, kindness, EMOTIONS&#8230; he is ruthless and calculating his way to destroy your day and your life ..him and mommy dearest do the same she will drop a mighty fortune<br />
  on me just to keep me around as what I call MEAT TO THE LION her son.. I was only like meat /food to entertain her son so he wouldn&#8217;t be alone in the world.. I was her N supply as well .</p>
<p>  I left NC she e mailed me to say she had a trip for the whole family bought and paid for .. yes indeed she could not stand the lose of control and her son&#8217;s loss of control  during my NC of 4 months.<br />
 Currently , I am on the path to recovery and educating myself more and more about these monsters. He is charm, money , great sex, so loving when he wants to be so cute ..then the other side I have seen is pure<br />
 monster, jekly hyde, very very very different. So different you think he could win an academy for his hiding. How can anyone hide the monster like that under false niceties. I really do think there demons&#8230;</p>
<p> I don&#8217;t know he has had no relationship more than a few years no kids not married..but married to mom only, like they have some pact . He even calls her HON short for honey..barfff&#8230;<br />
 who knows what goes on behind closed doors lol it&#8217;s just so bizarre the entire relationship even with his mother he just worships her like an child&#8230;and she keeps him needy on her he is her N supply too  .</p>
<p>  There all a bunch of nut jobs that should be all behind bars to save our society lol of the pain they all inflict..</p>
<p>   MY story my experience. Still on the mend very very heart breaking it has destroyed my life for now am trying to muster the strength to never go back to never fall for his charm or his mother charm.. to be latter<br />
  told my opinion and ideas are worthless as they have so told me . it has been 2 against one the whole time and I am sick of it so am trying to NC to save myself from the stress and smile again know who I am again..</p>
<p>  Ive lost my self and I am getting help , I have friends, and I am very aware of there tactics now all to well. I busy myself and try not to think of the good times. I have notes on the wall to NC and motivational cards to see as well around the house to not slip into a routine of the psychopath N. I try yoga and beautify myself and life to care of ME it is about me now surviving the after math .</p>
<p>   It is so painful the NC process I am having PTSD again. I wake up at 5 in the am shaking my body is reacting. I have woken up in tears having a panic attack.. it is like drugs.<br />
   It is no pain no gain of a better life I will never be free or happy I will be his pawn to destroy and I have a daughter to bring up and my family to love and friends to talk to . Its those times alone or at night , morning time..<br />
   the worst . Why all this it was the way the insidious nature of HOW he planned to take me out.. tearing at my life bit by bit.. </p>
<p>    I am healing am trying I am dedicated to this I am fighting not just the boyfriend Np but history of family of his family its a dbl whammy.  I have all my help on speed dial cause it&#8217;s like an alcoholic  trying to quit.<br />
    Why do these parasites have so much control over us more than any other it astonishes me how I would be attracted like a moth to the flame. Must be kind to myself and one step at a time one day at a time.<br />
    I will just move slow and be mindful of all my emotions and just try and not deal with it too much because when I think of all the times he has been that monster I can not function and I NEED to function and live a happy life.<br />
   I deserve that. And more.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-7084&quot;&gt;Wes&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Wes,

I wrote a book about that too...the female narc and the male victim. It&#039;s called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TNHK9UC/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;When Evil Is a Pretty Face&lt;/a&gt;. And I also wrote an article specifically for the male victim and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/male-victims-of-narcissists/&quot;&gt;you can read it here&lt;/a&gt;. We&#039;re all in it together, my brother!

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-7084">Wes</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Wes,</p>
<p>I wrote a book about that too&#8230;the female narc and the male victim. It&#8217;s called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TNHK9UC/" rel="nofollow">When Evil Is a Pretty Face</a>. And I also wrote an article specifically for the male victim and <a href="http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/male-victims-of-narcissists/">you can read it here</a>. We&#8217;re all in it together, my brother!</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2016 14:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2016 01:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-6455&quot;&gt;Star&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Star...thank YOU for stopping by and I&#039;m grateful that you are finding the info that you need to recover!....Zari xo]]></description>
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<p>Hi Star&#8230;thank YOU for stopping by and I&#8217;m grateful that you are finding the info that you need to recover!&#8230;.Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2016 21:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Zari,
This was the most enlightening information I have read in my life. I feel it was God sent that I found your site. Reading all this is like removing a veil off my eyes. 
Thank you so much!
Star]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zari,<br />
This was the most enlightening information I have read in my life. I feel it was God sent that I found your site. Reading all this is like removing a veil off my eyes.<br />
Thank you so much!<br />
Star</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Judy,

I&#039;m working on an article right now about how to handle the smear campaign. Believe it or not, when they&#039;re talking smack to everyone and anyone, this is when OUR silence has the most impact. Look for the article to be up in the next couple of days:)

The fact that he&#039;s still there with you....we know that&#039;s no good. Consider &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissist-abuse-support/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;booking a consult&lt;/a&gt; with me so that we can hash this out. Enough is enough already. It&#039;s time to change your perspective so that you can better see through his contrived &quot;I&#039;m sorrys&quot; and mind fuckery. There&#039;s no time like the present to start mentally breaking free from the nonsense.

Zari xo

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Judy,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on an article right now about how to handle the smear campaign. Believe it or not, when they&#8217;re talking smack to everyone and anyone, this is when OUR silence has the most impact. Look for the article to be up in the next couple of days:)</p>
<p>The fact that he&#8217;s still there with you&#8230;.we know that&#8217;s no good. Consider <a href="http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissist-abuse-support/" rel="nofollow">booking a consult</a> with me so that we can hash this out. Enough is enough already. It&#8217;s time to change your perspective so that you can better see through his contrived &#8220;I&#8217;m sorrys&#8221; and mind fuckery. There&#8217;s no time like the present to start mentally breaking free from the nonsense.</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2016 23:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-5591&quot;&gt;bob evans&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Bob,

There&#039;s nothing sexist about my site or my work...in fact, I&#039;ve written a book specifically for the guys about the female narcissist called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TNHK9UC/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;When Evil Is a Pretty Face&lt;/a&gt;. In addition, there&#039;s an article here entitled &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/male-victims-of-narcissists/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;To Male Victims of Female Narcissistic Partners&lt;/a&gt; that expresses my apologies for the lack of support on the internet and in general for guys who suffer what I believe is a far worse fate that the female victim. Female narcs are the worst of the worst.

As for the obvious reference to the male gender, I write from my own 13-year experience so it&#039;s easy for me to write from the female perspective. Where I can, I will often use terms like he/she, her/him, his/hers, but the truth is that to do this consistently in every article disrupts the flow of the content. Men who visit this site often know this and, believe me, there are hundreds of comments by men here (especially under that article link).

So, I understand your frustration but I hope you know now that it is never my intention to leave the guys out of the loop. In my view, narcissist abuse recovery is a team effort for all of us and this is a community of support. Write anytime, Bob, and I am here to support you!

Zari:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-5591">bob evans</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Bob,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing sexist about my site or my work&#8230;in fact, I&#8217;ve written a book specifically for the guys about the female narcissist called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TNHK9UC/" rel="nofollow">When Evil Is a Pretty Face</a>. In addition, there&#8217;s an article here entitled <a href="http://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/male-victims-of-narcissists/" rel="nofollow">To Male Victims of Female Narcissistic Partners</a> that expresses my apologies for the lack of support on the internet and in general for guys who suffer what I believe is a far worse fate that the female victim. Female narcs are the worst of the worst.</p>
<p>As for the obvious reference to the male gender, I write from my own 13-year experience so it&#8217;s easy for me to write from the female perspective. Where I can, I will often use terms like he/she, her/him, his/hers, but the truth is that to do this consistently in every article disrupts the flow of the content. Men who visit this site often know this and, believe me, there are hundreds of comments by men here (especially under that article link).</p>
<p>So, I understand your frustration but I hope you know now that it is never my intention to leave the guys out of the loop. In my view, narcissist abuse recovery is a team effort for all of us and this is a community of support. Write anytime, Bob, and I am here to support you!</p>
<p>Zari:)</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2016 16:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I found this excerpt very very useful and informative to those who have not yet defined situations and people like this. BUT I found it very sexist. Every time she is describing the narc (&quot;N&quot;) it&#039;s &quot;him&quot;, &quot;his&quot;, &quot;he&quot;. The reason I bring it up is because I&#039;ve been in a few relationships where I have been victim to &quot;N&#039;s&quot; and I am straight, so all women yes, yet, I have not really ever met any men or have ever heard of men who have the time to go through this being in a relationship (I imagine a serial killer); other than meeting people, guys and girls who seem to have borderline personality disorder. And &#039;Stop Spinning, Star Breathing&#039;? Is this just for women? The photo of the woman&#039;s face and &quot;When love is a lie&quot; - the guys hand grabbing the girls? Wtf? I&#039;ve never had or been offered any help or have heard about some guy write a book for men on N&#039;s that are women. Or have heard about a book detaiing women as the main issue - I would find it offensive to women and not want to read it. I think it would be more appropriate to use &quot;them&quot;, &quot;their&quot;, &quot;he or she&quot;, &quot;his or her&quot;, unless you don&#039;t want me to buy the book and I do like the excerpt (it helped me realize N&#039;s intentions) but there is no character referred to, no situation, no example, just the guy is the villain. Help guys out too, unless the defense in this book for women against N is to become the N and attack vulnerable guys and leave the real problem at hand and start a new one. My name isn&#039;t really Bob Evans and I didn&#039;t read anyone else&#039;s comments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this excerpt very very useful and informative to those who have not yet defined situations and people like this. BUT I found it very sexist. Every time she is describing the narc (&#8220;N&#8221;) it&#8217;s &#8220;him&#8221;, &#8220;his&#8221;, &#8220;he&#8221;. The reason I bring it up is because I&#8217;ve been in a few relationships where I have been victim to &#8220;N&#8217;s&#8221; and I am straight, so all women yes, yet, I have not really ever met any men or have ever heard of men who have the time to go through this being in a relationship (I imagine a serial killer); other than meeting people, guys and girls who seem to have borderline personality disorder. And &#8216;Stop Spinning, Star Breathing&#8217;? Is this just for women? The photo of the woman&#8217;s face and &#8220;When love is a lie&#8221; &#8211; the guys hand grabbing the girls? Wtf? I&#8217;ve never had or been offered any help or have heard about some guy write a book for men on N&#8217;s that are women. Or have heard about a book detaiing women as the main issue &#8211; I would find it offensive to women and not want to read it. I think it would be more appropriate to use &#8220;them&#8221;, &#8220;their&#8221;, &#8220;he or she&#8221;, &#8220;his or her&#8221;, unless you don&#8217;t want me to buy the book and I do like the excerpt (it helped me realize N&#8217;s intentions) but there is no character referred to, no situation, no example, just the guy is the villain. Help guys out too, unless the defense in this book for women against N is to become the N and attack vulnerable guys and leave the real problem at hand and start a new one. My name isn&#8217;t really Bob Evans and I didn&#8217;t read anyone else&#8217;s comments.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-5407&quot;&gt;Naon&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Naon,

All we can do is stay educated and keep moving forward. We simply can&#039;t change these people so at some point we just have to stop trying. I hope and pray that you are still going strong and staying away from the narc in your life. Bravo to your sister for bringing it to your attention!

As for the fact that you feel you keep meeting them, the deal is that there are MILLIONS of them everywhere - and especially online at all the dating and social sights. I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that it will be rare that we recognize them off the bat because they are so good at...well...being narcissists. All we can do is look for the red flags and nip it in the bud early. We can&#039;t walk around being suspicious of everyone we meet...we just have to be confident that we will recognize the signs and do as you did the minute that we do.

Stay strong!

Zari xo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-5407">Naon</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Naon,</p>
<p>All we can do is stay educated and keep moving forward. We simply can&#8217;t change these people so at some point we just have to stop trying. I hope and pray that you are still going strong and staying away from the narc in your life. Bravo to your sister for bringing it to your attention!</p>
<p>As for the fact that you feel you keep meeting them, the deal is that there are MILLIONS of them everywhere &#8211; and especially online at all the dating and social sights. I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that it will be rare that we recognize them off the bat because they are so good at&#8230;well&#8230;being narcissists. All we can do is look for the red flags and nip it in the bud early. We can&#8217;t walk around being suspicious of everyone we meet&#8230;we just have to be confident that we will recognize the signs and do as you did the minute that we do.</p>
<p>Stay strong!</p>
<p>Zari xo</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your articles have saved me from yet another ride on the heartbreak train with a narcissist.  My father was a narcissist, and it seems that its the only personality type I&#039;ve been attracted to my whole life.  I was married to a narcissist and though we only actually lived together 3.5 years, it took me about 15 years to quit obssessing over the WHY of it all.  I loved him so much and yet I turned into this needy, whiney, insecure, suspicious individual - everything he told me I was.

25 year later, I reconnected with a guy I went to High School with and immediately fell hard for him.  Long story short, I was off balance all the time, always jealous over the other people he talked about and the inconsistencies in his stories, never knew when I would see him again, and was completely seduced by his talk of &quot;our future&quot; together.  He had a travelling job (perfect for an N!) and there were many times I&#039;d just lose contact with him and he always had a reason why.  My sister was the one who asked me if I knew what a Narcissist was and I did not.  I started reading everything I could find on the internet and discovered that my boyfriend was a classic N.  Scarey and sad but oh my god, thank you, thank you, thank you!  I set myself free - no explanation, no discussion, and though I&#039;ve received multiple texts and about 20 emails from him since, I delete every one of them and am going no contact for the rest of my life.  I must admit it is the hardest thing I&#039;ve done in a long time and I&#039;m often tempted to go back and read those emails that are sitting in my deleted box &quot;just to see what he&#039;s feeling&quot;.  So, when I am weak, I spend another hour or two reading everything I can find on N behaviors to remind myself that I just narrowly escaped another 15 years of feeling bad about myself and wondering WHY.  This relationship lasted all of five months and I feel VERY proud of that.  Thanks so much for a needed education.l]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your articles have saved me from yet another ride on the heartbreak train with a narcissist.  My father was a narcissist, and it seems that its the only personality type I&#8217;ve been attracted to my whole life.  I was married to a narcissist and though we only actually lived together 3.5 years, it took me about 15 years to quit obssessing over the WHY of it all.  I loved him so much and yet I turned into this needy, whiney, insecure, suspicious individual &#8211; everything he told me I was.</p>
<p>25 year later, I reconnected with a guy I went to High School with and immediately fell hard for him.  Long story short, I was off balance all the time, always jealous over the other people he talked about and the inconsistencies in his stories, never knew when I would see him again, and was completely seduced by his talk of &#8220;our future&#8221; together.  He had a travelling job (perfect for an N!) and there were many times I&#8217;d just lose contact with him and he always had a reason why.  My sister was the one who asked me if I knew what a Narcissist was and I did not.  I started reading everything I could find on the internet and discovered that my boyfriend was a classic N.  Scarey and sad but oh my god, thank you, thank you, thank you!  I set myself free &#8211; no explanation, no discussion, and though I&#8217;ve received multiple texts and about 20 emails from him since, I delete every one of them and am going no contact for the rest of my life.  I must admit it is the hardest thing I&#8217;ve done in a long time and I&#8217;m often tempted to go back and read those emails that are sitting in my deleted box &#8220;just to see what he&#8217;s feeling&#8221;.  So, when I am weak, I spend another hour or two reading everything I can find on N behaviors to remind myself that I just narrowly escaped another 15 years of feeling bad about myself and wondering WHY.  This relationship lasted all of five months and I feel VERY proud of that.  Thanks so much for a needed education.l</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2016 00:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-5293&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Richard,

Thank you for sharing and you and I have now had a long phone conversation about everything that happened and potentially could happen with this situation. I look forward to getting an update when and if it all comes down! You&#039;re an awesome person!

Regards,
Zari]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/pathological-relationship-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-5293">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Richard,</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing and you and I have now had a long phone conversation about everything that happened and potentially could happen with this situation. I look forward to getting an update when and if it all comes down! You&#8217;re an awesome person!</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Zari</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2016 18:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi.  Looking for some advice on what happens next...my story:  I think I got lucky...I fell for a woman who I now see fits all the traits of a Narcissist , and very malignant one at that (from looking back over 5 years I knew her, and what she has done since)....when she lost her condo in September 15  I need help with three teenagers who were living with me for the semester...so she presented herself as perfect step mom and happy to help.  But my time, attention, and money were split between her and the three kids.  By  December, she took off and only came back in January when I demanded she either come back or put her stuff in storage, signing for the storage unit.as well.  That&#039;s when I saw the result of narcissitic injury I had unknowingly inflicted...the pure RAGE and blame game she played...and the gas lighting attempts....she morphed from a woman I loved....the perfect partner...into the woman who fits every single description of a female narcissist....to include me seeing the triangulation using me against her prior boyfriend and the girl she ran off with now.  So....my luck was I deprived the narcissist of supply without even knowing it, created abandonment fears...and drove her off all within 2 months of her moving in..and the devaluation/discard happened after she left...  Problem is, I still have her stuff at house and storage unit is full.  She is in new apartment with this &quot;Girlfriend&quot; (my now ex gf is 39, new girl is 24 and completely brainwashed now).  I know she has total control of new girl, whom she has been grooming for a year and a half, she has profiles up on sugar daddy sites, and she is giving me the silent treatment after suddenly going from raging texts to fairly calm conversation.  And making jabs on FB.  So......What I don&#039;t know is what to expect next....will she try and hoover back to me...just to get her stuff?   Will she abandon her stuff to avoid dealing with me?  Should I break the silence to find out or just wait?  She knows I care deeply for her...I&#039;ve told her that...but she also knows she can&#039;t gaslight me and push me around unrestricted like she can the new girl....I gave her til 1 April to get her stuff....and give me my phone back.  Any guesses?  If she were normal I&#039;d say she would just come get her stuff in a Uhaul....but she&#039;s not normal.....Thanks]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.  Looking for some advice on what happens next&#8230;my story:  I think I got lucky&#8230;I fell for a woman who I now see fits all the traits of a Narcissist , and very malignant one at that (from looking back over 5 years I knew her, and what she has done since)&#8230;.when she lost her condo in September 15  I need help with three teenagers who were living with me for the semester&#8230;so she presented herself as perfect step mom and happy to help.  But my time, attention, and money were split between her and the three kids.  By  December, she took off and only came back in January when I demanded she either come back or put her stuff in storage, signing for the storage unit.as well.  That&#8217;s when I saw the result of narcissitic injury I had unknowingly inflicted&#8230;the pure RAGE and blame game she played&#8230;and the gas lighting attempts&#8230;.she morphed from a woman I loved&#8230;.the perfect partner&#8230;into the woman who fits every single description of a female narcissist&#8230;.to include me seeing the triangulation using me against her prior boyfriend and the girl she ran off with now.  So&#8230;.my luck was I deprived the narcissist of supply without even knowing it, created abandonment fears&#8230;and drove her off all within 2 months of her moving in..and the devaluation/discard happened after she left&#8230;  Problem is, I still have her stuff at house and storage unit is full.  She is in new apartment with this &#8220;Girlfriend&#8221; (my now ex gf is 39, new girl is 24 and completely brainwashed now).  I know she has total control of new girl, whom she has been grooming for a year and a half, she has profiles up on sugar daddy sites, and she is giving me the silent treatment after suddenly going from raging texts to fairly calm conversation.  And making jabs on FB.  So&#8230;&#8230;What I don&#8217;t know is what to expect next&#8230;.will she try and hoover back to me&#8230;just to get her stuff?   Will she abandon her stuff to avoid dealing with me?  Should I break the silence to find out or just wait?  She knows I care deeply for her&#8230;I&#8217;ve told her that&#8230;but she also knows she can&#8217;t gaslight me and push me around unrestricted like she can the new girl&#8230;.I gave her til 1 April to get her stuff&#8230;.and give me my phone back.  Any guesses?  If she were normal I&#8217;d say she would just come get her stuff in a Uhaul&#8230;.but she&#8217;s not normal&#8230;..Thanks</p>
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